Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)

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RonaldJosephCote

  Looks like China's not completely done with the virus after all....surprise.png                 https://www.yahoo.com/news/beijing-goes-wartime-mode-locks-093035716.html

sndeww
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

  Looks like China's not completely done with the virus after all....                 https://www.yahoo.com/news/beijing-goes-wartime-mode-locks-093035716.html

Mister virus paid a friendly visit

Confused-psyduck

Let's wait and see, it might be too early to say a second wave will hit the country. Nevertheless, if it happens to become a threat again, other countries should start to prepare themselves asap.

RonaldJosephCote

  Even thou landlords aren't sapost to evict tenants during this pandemic, they sure can make life difficult for you..... frustrated.png                                                                   https://www.yahoo.com/news/landlords-using-harassment-threats-force-101038612.html

David

Michael Flor, the 70 year old survivor of COVID-19, has received a 181 page hospital bill for more than 1.1 million USD: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/inspiring-story-of-seattle-mans-coronavirus-survival-comes-with-a-1-1-million-dollar-hospital-bill/

I don't think capitalism and health care really sit that well together - they're too often pulling in different directions.

RonaldJosephCote

   I think that's just a technicality....they HAVE to send him a bill......it doesn't HAVE  to be paid.

Strangemover

How does this work in the US? Is the treatment you need given regardless and then you get the bill? And if you cannot afford to pay what happens? Is some kind of monthly payment plan agreed in court? Is this passed on to your next of kin if you pass away without the full amount being paid? 

RonaldJosephCote

  The person in question is 70 yrs old. I doubt his income is suffecient for that size bill. If you can show the court you're fairly indigent, they don't touch social security.

Confused-psyduck

Still, that is completely insane to have bills that expensive, even If this 70yo man does not have to pay it, other people will have to for him, and in the end people will pay for completely overprice services. With Medicare or other medical plans like that the US government would have to pay a lot, but the reason is that medication and hospitalization in the US is awfully expensive. That is quite dreadful to imagine that people who caught COVID19 not only would have experienced the toll of the disease, but also will have to experience the toll of the medical bill they'll receive and avoid being broke. 

sndeww

Capitalism pros: free stuff

cons: MEDICAL BILLS

 

Communism pros: less bills

cons: less free stuff

 

lets just leave it like that, haha.

congrandolor
Caedrel wrote:

Michael Flor, the 70 year old survivor of COVID-19, has received a 181 page hospital bill for more than 1.1 million USD: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/inspiring-story-of-seattle-mans-coronavirus-survival-comes-with-a-1-1-million-dollar-hospital-bill/

I don't think capitalism and health care really sit that well together - they're too often pulling in different directions.

Mr. Flor, after finishing his successful treatment: -Ha, I get rid of that ugly virus!

Five minutes later, after receiving the bill for the treatment: -Hey, covid, my friend, I was just joking. Come back to me please, I neeed youuuu, I missss youuu!

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

Bug unseen....here to take 'i know them'z away
this island a crazy sh*t sezzit can't be true 
made to love yet here comes my hate
i gotta question....who invited u ??

pushed from bizarre onto helpless ave
if i cry let my strength be found
if i laff know it’s really not that
and if i dont care ?....let hope come ‘round

this’s got aholda me and i hope like h*ll it doesnt get aholda me
pleez dont take aholda me
pleez dont take aholda we
i begga you....just let me be
pleez ?....leave us be ?

Toire
Strangemover wrote:

How does this work in the US? Is the treatment you need given regardless and then you get the bill? And if you cannot afford to pay what happens? Is some kind of monthly payment plan agreed in court? Is this passed on to your next of kin if you pass away without the full amount being paid? 

According to the article, he has Medicare and insurance, so would normally have a maximum yearly out-of-pocket amount.

It seems that number was $6000, but..."There also are special financial rules that apply only to COVID-19. Congress set aside more than $100 billion to help hospitals and insurance companies defray the costs of the pandemic, in part to encourage people to seek testing and treatment (including those with no insurance). As a result, Flor probably won’t have to pay even his Medicare Advantage policy’s out-of-pocket charges, which could have amounted to $6,000"

Toire

Maybe some good news for a change...

Dexamethasone proves first life-saving drug

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53061281

RonaldJosephCote

   Indeed....that is good.  Dexamethasone

EscherehcsE

The two latest videos from the MedCram guy (I thought they were good enough to post here):

 

Coronavirus Pandemic Update 84: Key Questions to Ask if in the Hospital for COVID-19 (Part 1 of 2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQr-OLA8xdM

 

Coronavirus Pandemic Update 85: Dexamethasone and Key Questions to Ask if in The Hospital (Part 2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie5Oi8m_Rlo

 

DiogenesDue

Another possibility I will put on the list to watch for clinical trial results.

RonaldJosephCote

 

Marie-AnneLiz
Geodexic a écrit :

What if there is a promising drug for it , but the virus is constantly mutate ? 

Does this drug eventually useless ?

And the 40% that are asymptomatic do not even have the anti body for the covid that seem to mean no immunity....sigh...

Marie-AnneLiz
btickler a écrit :
EbbieP wrote:

But even though this may be close it might not be completely accurate.

I'm not sure anybody has ever argued otherwise.  How could a worldwide estimate of anything be completely accurate?

Indeed!

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