The deliberately scientific definition of true randomness I gave can apply in a hypothetical deterministic Universe (I am happy to acknowledge that this makes the term less than ideal, as one might wish determinism to exclude the possibility of "true randomness".
sweet.
its good that we are finally on the same page. at least to some degree. should be more pleasant from here on, but i need to take a break : ) we'll get back to it.
The importance of the point is not so great, since we know we live in a Universe that is not deterministic. 
If you have any thoughts of MWI, it's like a game of chess is not deterministic, even though the complete tree of all chess games has no uncertainty in it.
Well- I’ll say it’s all well and good to know what the Universe is not.
A grand scene, those far off places of possibility.
Rather discuss what IS - in meaningful terms.
F
Stands for the fact that in every failure is the seed of success. In the manifestation of the material from the non-material, of the visible from the invisible, a fundamental mechanics is involved. This is the principle of feedback.
Our failures are stepping-stones in the mechanics of creation, bringing us ever closer to our goals. In reality, there is no such thing as failure. What we call failure is just a mechanism through which we can learn to do things right.
@Uke8
please block KingAxelson
this constant posting of his veiled religious agenda , going thru the alpha bet needs ending.
I kinda like it and im looking 4ward to G. pretty pleez dont hold it against me.
TRs aesthetic. and in my humble O (lol ! had those), it took ppl like oscar and marcel (pseudo sans-retinal) to incubate & draw out QT musings in the early 1900's. art always takes science places (and will keep) cuz the <3 leads the head .
does a/o know that one song ?
i'll be riding 6 wide horseys when they come ?..izzit wide or white ?
this song makes me laff like u wouldnt believe !!
lol. 6 horseys dont sound like a humble O 
G
Stands for gratitude, generosity, God, gap, and goal. Gratitude and generosity are natural attributes of an affluent consciousness. Since the only thing to go after is the best, the principle of the highest first, why not adopt God as the role model? After all, no one is more affluent than God, for God is the field of all possibilities. There is a precise mechanism through which all desires can be manifested.
These four steps are as follows:
Step 1: You slip into the gap between thoughts. The gap is the window, the corridor, the transformational vortex through which the personal psyche communicates with the cosmic psyche.
Step 2: You have a clear intention of a clear goal in the gap.
Step 3: You relinquish you attachment to the outcome, because chasing the outcome or getting attached to it entails coming out of the gap.
Step 4: You let the universe handle the details. It is important to have a clear goal in you awareness, but it is also important to relinquish your attachment to the goal. And the goal is in the gap, and the gap is the potentiality to organize and orchestrate the details required to affect any outcome.
Perhaps you recall an instant when you were trying to remember a name, and you struggled and struggled, but with no success. Finally, you let go of your attachment to the outcome, and then a little while later the name flashed across the screen of your consciousness. This is the mechanics for the fulfillment of any desire.
When you were struggling to recall the name, the mind was very active and turbulent. But ultimately, out of fatigue and frustration, you let go and the mind became quiet and slowly quieter—perhaps so quiet that it was almost still—and you slipped into the gap where you released your desire, and soon it was handed to you. This is the true meaning of ‘Ask and you shall receive,’ or ‘Knock and the door shall be opened to you.’
One of the easiest and most effortless ways of slipping into the gap is through the process of meditation. And there are many forms of meditation and prayer that can help us to manifest desires from the level of the gap.
lol. 6 horseys dont sound like a humble O
found it...just 4u HiHo lol !...
The hardiest dog award goes to a 10 month mongrel named Dosha who escaped from her home in California, USA, April 15th, 2003, only to be run over by a car and then shot in the head by police, who were trying to put her out of her misery. Subsequently sealed in a bag and placed in a freezer at the animal center, Dosha was discovered 2 hours later by staff, sitting up wagging her tail.
H
Stands for happiness and humanity and the fact that we are here to make all humans we come into contact with happy. Life naturally evolves in the direction of happiness. We must constantly ask ourselves if what we are doing is going to make us, and those around us, happy. Because happiness is the ultimate goal. It is the goal of all other goals. When we seek money, or a good relationship, or a great job, what we are really seeking is happiness. The mistake we make is not going for happiness first. If we did, everything else would follow.
"She'll be coming 'round the mountain when she comes (yee-haw)"
Freud would probably say something about this, because my first impression was 'the big O' (slang) lol. and with all the riding & coming, it sounded more than just a humble one. lol. but i think that i see your point now. its a good one.
#2725.. i like white's opening, look like some of mine : )
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The deliberately scientific definition of true randomness I gave can apply in a hypothetical deterministic Universe (I am happy to acknowledge that this makes the term less than ideal, as one might wish determinism to exclude the possibility of "true randomness".
It is worth emphasising here that the idea of starting with a label and then trying to pick the right concept to go with it (as was necessary in this forum) is very much the wrong way round. In science and maths, concepts are chosen because they are important and labels are then selected for them. My concept is a good one for science because it describes the most random something can be according to science.
The key to having randomness in a scientific sense in a hypothetical deterministic Universe is to have crucial information in inaccessible hidden variables.
For example, let's say there is a computable rule for what the next move to be played in any chess game is, based on some local hidden variables. Then the moves in games are not predictable even with all past information that is accessible, and they satisfy the scientific definition of true randomness (prediction is absolutely impossible with all available information).
I have to say at this point I am a bit uncomfortable with the idea of hidden variables being "in the Universe" (as they are commonly in physics. Eg a wave function). What is it that makes them "there" if there is no effect of this? Of course the wave function is only part of a model and other models lack it, so it is fair to say it is not (necessarily) really there.