ZigyStardust wrote:
@capholder
u still alive?
If the universe requires a creator then the creator should require a creator = religion is made-up
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Colin20G wrote:
TheGreatOogieBoogie wrote:
you yourself are denying scientific fact by denying God. You want proof, so here it is: look out the window, see anything alive, like a tree or pigeon? I'd like to see you make one, or a planet perfectly tuned for life like Earth, or a perfectly ordered, blablabla TLTR
This doesn't prove anything. What does "perfectly ordered" means? this is not even a scientific word. We never say that for instance, that an electron or a planet orbit are perfect. we just see that they exist. "perfection" is an aesthetic concept, not scientific one. It just means that you enjoy to perceive the thing.
Also once again, we see that we can take that silly argument "X exists and is so perfect that it must necessary have been created by god", with X being any object, and plug god into it to produce a sentence "god exists and is so perfect that it must necessary have been created by a god ", which is blatantly preposterous.
Also once again, we see that we can take that silly argument "X exists and is so perfect that it must necessary have been created by god", with X being any object, and plug god into it to produce a sentence "god exists and is so perfect that it must necessary have been created by a god ", which is blatantly preposterous.
Example with your claim:
look out the window, see god being here. I'd like to see you make one, or something perfecly tuned like a god.then god must be created by a god. QED
look out the window, see god being here. I'd like to see you make one, or something perfecly tuned like a god.then god must be created by a god. QED
Perfect in this context means perfection of function, as in a higher optimal state is no longer possible. Efficiency is at its best, which creates an aesthetic beauty to it. Ordered as opposed to random and chaotic. Even Einstein himself said God doesn't play dice.
Sep 6, 2015
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#525
No one should doubt that we as men can create things. As far as I know though we can't create the original matter of the universe. Who created or where did the original matter of the universe come from is the question.
Sep 6, 2015
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#526
yes this question is not yet closed after 38 pages and since 5000 years. It is the ultimate question, may be Fermat theorem since 500 years seems easier, the demonstration is only around 300 pages, I guess.
xn + yn= zn x=? y=? n in N and n > 2.
Btw God did'nt play dices said Einstein because he had no time to play. God concept supposes no time at all, thus .. no money 'cause time is money.
Here we create some intellectual added value, I guess.
Sep 6, 2015
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#527
the point is there 763 : FIDES, faith, to have or to have not, individual approach : admit there is sthg which we never understand , or not. There are plenty of paradoxes we admit, we don't understandandwill nver understand, the topic is one of them. After 60 years, the answer is notthe ame than at fifteen, thirty , etc ...
Sep 6, 2015
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#528
" If the Universe requires a Creator, then the Creator should require a Creator. = Religion is made up.
So....If God had a mother and Father, Religion is made up ?
Religions based on the concept of " God " are based on what " God " is supposed to have commanded and fabricated..not on " His " origin.
Religions do not deal with the question of God's " Birth " or non birth.
Whether God was born or made or existed forever or created himself/herself/itself is irrelevant to " Believers "
drpsholder wrote:
yureesystem wrote:
drpsholder wrote: But again, again, again..............just because you say there was a creator doesn't mean it was supernatural. There is no evidence for anything supernatural. I wonder why you can't find any evidence for supernatural?
Now we do have evidence for natural processes. So it can only be logical to believe the evidence instead of believing what you don't have evidence for.
Is this your mantra, there is no supernatural power and there is evidences for natural processes, saying over and over doesn't make it true.
First it is easier and logical that God created the universe and earth and everything. God or a creator of course has supernatural powers, how can He created without it. Duh!
Second: His creation is a marvel, let take a bird, its wings is so complicated, every bones and feathers its meant for flight, a wing of a insect is also very complicated, the ladybug's wings a great marvel or a bee's wings, its body is too big for his wings but it is able to fly, the humman hand is a marvel, no animal possess it or the human eye is so complex and you have to everything working right to have sight; there many more in this world to marvel God's creation, it point to a supernatural being that creates wonderful things. A single cell should be a enough to prove God existence and his supernatural power. God is God and He has supernatural power other wise He is not God. So simple!
Evolution on trial !!! You position on natural processes without a creator or creator without supernatural is ridiculous.
First: You are saying that things can come into existences without supernatural forces. Now, think about this. This is so illogocal and irrational that something can come into existences with a creator or supernatural forces. It is proven scientific that you cannot created life spontaneous without a creator, something must aid that first life form.
Second: Darwin lied, he knew there was no evidence in the fossil records for evolution theories. Still the evolutionists teach it as sceince and its foundation is a lie. I call this faulty sciences.
Third: Can complex things like a single cell, the brain, the human hand, the human eye, bird wings and insect wings and DNA code really come natural selection, random, by accident, natural processes, it is so illogical and irrational that these things can be created by natural processes. How can a species survive when it is evolving, wouldn't it be helpless because first it is not fully evolve and second when it is in the processes in evolving it is a mutation and not fully functioning and cannot survive. You see the problem with evolution, if it took years to evolve to a different species, how did it survive to become a different species?
Nope its not logical to think that this earth was created supernaturally...........BECAUSE THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF SUPERNATURAL.
Im starting to think that you are never going to understand this despite trying very hard to do so. Im really questioning your intelligence now based on the evidence you keep supplying so graciously! LOL
Poor thing, saying your mantra over and over doesn't make it true. A scientist said of evolution, "It is a good night bednight story." lol He meant it is a fairytale and only a gullible person like yourself will believe it. Lets do this, if you really want to solve the missing link by pass the fossil record and grab a easter bunny and glued a dinosaur tail; it seem evolutionists like to makeup evidences for their theory or I mean your religion. You are really gulible aren't you and going against credible scientists doen't make your mantra true. 
The problem with evolutuion theory it started with a lie, Darwin knew his theory did not hold because the fossil record did not show any evidences of transitional forms. He was hoping that later on other scientists will find the missing links, to this day it is still missing and the evidences is against evolution. Evolution is base on a lie and there is no scientific facts for evolution, at worst it is faulty science, I hope I find the evidences for my theory but I still want to call it science, right. Why is evolution taught in school and colleges, very simple, it is all about funding ( money), there will be a lot teachers and professors out work if they were honest. That might be a good thing.
Sep 6, 2015
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#532
yureesystem wrote:
The problem with evolutuion theory it started with a lie, Darwin knew his theory did not hold because the fossil record did not show any evidences of transitional forms. He was hoping that later on other scientists will find the missing links, to this day it is still missing and the evidences is against evolution. Evolution is base on a lie and there is no scientific facts for evolution, at worst it is faulty science, I hope I find the evidences for my theory but I still want to call it science, right. Why is evolution taught in school and colleges, very simple, it is all about funding ( money), there will be a lot teachers and professors out work if they were honest. That might be a good thing.
can you explain what missing links are......give us information about this topic please and enlighten us..
Sorry quantumlee, I give a you a depth explanation on tuesday; I am on a holiday with my girlfriend.
Sep 6, 2015
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#534
yureesystem wrote:
Sorry quantumlee, I give a you a depth explanation on tuesday; I am on a holiday with my girlfriend.
copy and paste it then...i cant go through all that stuff again to find out...
Sep 6, 2015
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#535
you stupid people are talking as if you have seen god......if you start making fun out of me i will call you stupid......go and shit your stuff in the closet....
yuree do you believe that adam and eve were created and sent to earth 
yureesystem wrote:
The problem with evolutuion theory it started with a lie, Darwin knew his theory did not hold because the fossil record did not show any evidences of transitional forms. He was hoping that later on other scientists will find the missing links, to this day it is still missing and the evidences is against evolution. Evolution is base on a lie and there is no scientific facts for evolution, at worst it is faulty science, I hope I find the evidences for my theory but I still want to call it science, right. Why is evolution taught in school and colleges, very simple, it is all about funding ( money), there will be a lot teachers and professors out work if they were honest. That might be a good thing.
Darwin didnt use the fossil record much in his original theory. He was using existing species as examples and mentioned loads of middle forms.
Secondly, Darwin aint shit in evolution today anymore, no professional biologists read a line of his work or care what's in it, because so many things in it is outdated and many concepts are just plain wrong, for instance he didnt know about DNA. Today's evolution theory is very different from Darwin's.
It's only historians and creationists that are interested in him nowadays :)
Sep 6, 2015
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#537
these creationists have very shallow general knowledge...that's why they keep saying darwin ......they are nourished from very few sources that they keep chewing the same bigotic arguements
alex-rodriguez wrote:
"Darwin aint shit in evolution today anymore"
Of course he knew nothing about DNA sequencing but his ideas about natural selection and sexual selection are still valid today. For many good reasons biologists call Mr. Darwin the father of modern biology.
Yeah but its more a matter of having someone to make a statue of they can put in front of the institute. They dont read a line he wrote any more.
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I have a friend that is a PhD in molecular biology, He knews from his education less about Darwin that you can write on a post card :)
So I told him some Darwin stuff - I am humanist and interested in history of ideas and science and so on, so I was reading up on Darwin a while ago, his book "Voyage with the Beagle" is a good read in fact. Also funny he did so many other things than evolution, he was working more with orchideas, barnacles and earthworms than with evolution in fact :) He also discovered that earthworms are important for the soil.
He finds it funny to hear these things, like an interesting thing to talk about, but not more thahn say pyramids or Buddhism. Darwin is just not relevant to his work than pyramids are.
@capablanca
you didnt create a table, you just put pieces together.
anyway its a good example, because matter can neither be created nor destroyed.
And putting those pieces together...........wait for it, wait for it...........created a table!!!! LMAO!
this is why its entertaining to speak to a religious people. They will do everything possible to keep from admitting what you said is correct. EVERYTHING!
Yep...