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David
lfPatriotGames wrote:

Florida... allegedly have a 16.1% positive rate. That's over 3 million people in Florida alone. Yet the US allegedly has about the same number. So if they are ALL true that means pretty much all US covid cases are in Florida. And none in any other states. At some point you have to stop buying the baloney and think for yourself.

The positivity rate (16.1%) is not the population of Flordia (21.4 million) who have tested positive for COVID-19 (which gives you your 3.4 million number): it's the number of people who test positive out of all the tests that have been done. I don't know how many people in Florida have been tested, but it's certainly not everyone, so that's why it's not 3 million+.

Actually, we can figure out how many tests have been done by looking at the number of confirmed cases (360K) - a positivity rate of 16.1% means that there have been 2.2 million tests, but people could be tested more than once, so we don't know how many people have been tested.

I see Oregon is up to 15,139 confirmed cases with 7 more deaths to bring their total number of deaths to 269: https://www.kptv.com/news/oregon-sees-7-new-covid-19-deaths-as-case-count-climbs-to-15-139/article_ffbebd48-cb8d-11ea-b594-5bf80f2553c0.html That article actually provides details about the individuals: 4 of them were older than 80 with "underlying conditions" and 2 of them were a 47 and a 52 year old who also had "underlying conditions": the Science article I linked to earlier indicates that the disease seems particularly severe on certain types of conditions - would those people have died if they didn't contract COVID-19? We can only tell at a macro level by looking at whether there are more deaths overall than expected, and the studies so far indicate that they certainly are (again, in an article I supplied a link to earlier), which menas that it's much more likely that COVID related deaths are being under-reported rather than over-reported.

The 7th death reported in that article is "a 59-year-old man in Washington County who tested positive on June 23 and died on July 15 at Providence St. Vincent Medical Center. He did not have underlying conditions." Not sure at what point he was hospitalized.

lfPatriotGames
Caedrel wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

Florida... allegedly have a 16.1% positive rate. That's over 3 million people in Florida alone. Yet the US allegedly has about the same number. So if they are ALL true that means pretty much all US covid cases are in Florida. And none in any other states. At some point you have to stop buying the baloney and think for yourself.

The positivity rate (16.1%) is not the population of Flordia (21.4 million) who have tested positive for COVID-19 (which gives you your 3.4 million number): it's the number of people who test positive out of all the tests that have been done. I don't know how many people in Florida have been tested, but it's certainly not everyone, so that's why it's not 3 million+.

Actually, we can figure out how many tests have been done by looking at the number of confirmed cases (360K) - a positivity rate of 16.1% means that there have been 2.2 million tests, but people could be tested more than once, so we don't know how many people have been tested.

I see Oregon is up to 15,139 confirmed cases with 7 more deaths to bring their total number of deaths to 269: https://www.kptv.com/news/oregon-sees-7-new-covid-19-deaths-as-case-count-climbs-to-15-139/article_ffbebd48-cb8d-11ea-b594-5bf80f2553c0.html That article actually provides details about the individuals: 4 of them were older than 80 with "underlying conditions" and 2 of them were a 47 and a 52 year old who also had "underlying conditions": the Science article I linked to earlier indicates that the disease seems particularly severe on certain types of conditions - would those people have died if they didn't contract COVID-19? We can only tell at a macro level by looking at whether there are more deaths overall than expected, and the studies so far indicate that they certainly are (again, in an article I supplied a link to earlier), which menas that it's much more likely that COVID related deaths are being under-reported rather than over-reported.

The 7th death reported in that article is "a 59-year-old man in Washington County who tested positive on June 23 and died on July 15 at Providence St. Vincent Medical Center. He did not have underlying conditions." Not sure at what point he was hospitalized.

Yes. The alleged number of 16.1% is of those tested. Not everyone. But if there is one thing we have learned more than anything else, it's that there are more cases than what is reported. So the sampling of tests that show 16%, in my opinion, is probably low. 

Given that the "experts" now say the positive rate has been about ten times what was reported I think it's pretty likely Florida alone has over 3 million cases. As far as the numbers in Oregon, I think it's much the same pattern. Widespread circulation of the disease, but as you noted, it's almost exclusively those who are old and/or in bad health that dont survive. I guess it's the nature of disease that those who are vulnerable are the most at risk.

In our state, 64 people are currently in ICU who also have covid (or are suspected of having covid). That's up slightly from a couple months ago but ICU use for people who dont have covid is up much more substantially. Probably because of the delayed procedures but also, I'm guessing, the additional violence that happens to be in Portland. Given the sharp increase in cases I guess we can all be thankful that currently only 34 people are on ventilators in our state.

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

its truly unbelievable that the USA/T's seem so pathetically inept at logistics. ok. think about it. we can move packages around the globe in less than 24 hrs and yet we CANT get C19 test results back in time to be deemed useful ? wutdaf**k is going on ??...and i wont even begin to talk about PPE distribution.

ykw ?...it all seems so disgusting that im left w/out words. outside a sad.

lfPatriotGames

Apparently you have never been to an American DMV.

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

We're coming into full swing now from the Great 4th a July Skrooit.

and as obvious, we're now being told its only gonna get worse before it gets any better. sad.

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and s/t else. some say that this humongous (near) 1MM in (2) wk case spike may NOT be from the ignorance borne on the 4th a July. it may be from the result of earlier loosings. I HOPE NOT. cuz if so ?...then the 4th a July #'s are on their way. And boy, that surge is gonna be ugly. REALLY UGLY.

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

Way back on about February 13, 2020, our CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield said this...

"We don't know a lot about this virus," he said. "This virus is probably with us beyond this season, beyond this year, and I think eventually the virus will find a foothold and we will get community-based transmission."

turns out he was right ...all those moons ago. but he is the sage professional. so it makes sense he'd know what he's talking about....hmmm. sad.

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

It amazes me that Dr. Fauci has been assigned security.

What IS happening ??

lfPatriotGames

"It is critically important for our public health to open schools this fall."  CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield, July 23, 2020.

lfPatriotGames

I think I figured out how that works. It appears kids going back to school is ok for the same reason you only have to wear a mask at a restaurant while entering or leaving. You can only catch the covid while standing up. 

Just like being seated at a restaurant, kids in the classroom are naturally protected from the covid by being in the seated position. It might have something to do with being closer to the ground, I'm not sure. The science and data on that is still being studied. 

Marie-AnneLiz
lfPatriotGames a écrit :

"It is critically important for our public health to open schools this fall."  CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield, July 23, 2020.

He was always from the start behind Trump and very quiet...he was always following Trump like a scared guy!

Named by Trump!

But Redfield has not escaped the controversy that has dogged other Trump-era appointees. In the mid-1990s, Redfield oversaw a clinical trial of an experimental HIV vaccine at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research. He was accused of manipulating data from the trial, “sloppy or, possibly, deceptive” data analysis, and overstating results in a number of talks and publications.

military investigators chastised Redfield for having a “close relationship” to a nonprofit called Americans for Sound AIDS/HIV Policy (ASAP) “to a degree that is inappropriate.” ASAP, now known as the Children’s AIDS Fund, was founded by evangelical Christians; it has championed abstinence-only education as a method of combating HIV and other approaches grounded more in religious belief than scientific evidence.

 

In 1985, he supported an unprecedentedly large program of mandatory HIV screening for the military—against the recommendations of the CDC and other health professionals. After testing positive, many recruits were barred from service, while several active soldiers were segregated, in breach of any patient confidentiality. 

 

What one would get in Robert Redfield is a sloppy scientist with a long history of scientific misconduct and an extreme religious agenda.

Marie-AnneLiz
lfPatriotGames a écrit :

"It is critically important for our public health to open schools this fall."  CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield, July 23, 2020.

He was just following is boss policy but since Trump changed his view yesterday because the polls are showing him that he is going to loose the election Trump is changing all is talking point now!

lfPatriotGames

Then how does that explain the "you cant catch covid in a restaurant while sitting down" theory? Surely all states dont take their restaurant advice from  Robert Redfield do they?

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

Friday July 24 2020 Noon atlantic/eastern (gmt-4)

there are now a TOTAL of 2,067,315 active C-19 cases in the USA/Territories.

at this time last week there were 1,897,679 active cases. this is an increase of nearly 170,000 cases or 8.9%.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

now. there is a report out there that says there has been nearly 1MM new (active) cases in the past (2) wks. Altho I get about 660,000 new cases ?...the 1MM thingy is correct cuz there has been roughly 340,000 that have been moved from the 'Active Cases' ledger to the 'Total Recovered' ledger.

Marie-AnneLiz
lfPatriotGames a écrit :

Then how does that explain the "you cant catch covid in a restaurant while sitting down" theory? Surely all states dont take their restaurant advice from  Robert Redfield do they?

Distancing at least 2 meters plus the mask for the peoples working there like en all Walmart or grocery store?

The problem now are the young peoples in bars on in their private parties etc etc...no distancing and no mask...

Marie-AnneLiz
lfPatriotGames a écrit :

"It is critically important for our public health to open schools this fall."  CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield, July 23, 2020.

 

RonaldJosephCote

     "Just like being seated at a restaurant, kids in the classroom are naturally protected from the covid by being in the seated position".  surprise.png                        So we'll send all the kids back to school.....they just won't have any recess. shock.png   Can't imagine how the teachers are gonna enforce that...

AlCzervik
lfPatriotGames wrote:

Then how does that explain the "you cant catch covid in a restaurant while sitting down" theory? Surely all states dont take their restaurant advice from  Robert Redfield do they?

how some businesses can open while others can't is absolutely crazy, and your satirical post about the difference between sitting and standing shows how stupid some mandates/inaction have been.

which goes back to leadership. it seems to have been a massive failure at many levels. but, it must start at the top, no?

as far as the arguing about schools re-opening, i might vote against every school board incumbent on this. what have they been doing since the schools closed? where have they been all summer? it is as if they bought the "it will magically disappear" line and decided a plan was not needed.

lfPatriotGames
AlCzervik wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

Then how does that explain the "you cant catch covid in a restaurant while sitting down" theory? Surely all states dont take their restaurant advice from  Robert Redfield do they?

how some businesses can open while others can't is absolutely crazy, and your satirical post about the difference between sitting and standing shows how stupid some mandates/inaction have been.

which goes back to leadership. it seems to have been a massive failure at many levels. but, it must start at the top, no?

as far as the arguing about schools re-opening, i might vote against every school board incumbent on this. what have they been doing since the schools closed? where have they been all summer? it is as if they bought the "it will magically disappear" line and decided a plan was not needed.

For once we are in complete agreement. Some of the mandates/inaction are beyond stupid. In my opinion. Catching covid, from yourself, by putting a boat in the water. Catching covid from the standing position, but not the seated position, etc. Where we disagree is where it starts. I have said from the VERY beginning it starts with you. Yes. You. You believe it must start at the top. I say it may END at the top, but certainly does not start at the top. The reason for that is the "top" is the furthest from you. So how could the "top" have any clue what your personal situation is and what's best for you?

I think the school issue is a perfect example. Although it could apply to many other things as well, such as restaurants, parks, boat ramps, etc. We are all perfectly capable of knowing what' best for ourselves, our family, and our community. It is not the job of the federal, or in many cases, the state govt. to tell us what to do in personal healthcare decisions. Of course some of us are so dumb we have no idea what to do. But that's the price we pay for living in a free society. 

Do I need a federal or state official to tell me whether or not to send my kids to school? Of course not. It starts with ME. I decide that. Same goes with putting a boat in the water, or going for a jog on the beach.

So for those that are uncomfortable with that, I say stay inside. Do not participate in the opening or society in general. I totally respect that. If I were afraid of catching the covid, I certainly would not put myself at risk by being around others. But what I would not do is tell society how to behave, simply because I dont want the inconvenience of protecting myself. 

RonaldJosephCote

   https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/the-cdc-changed-its-advice-about-kids-and-coronavirus-right-before-recommending-schools-reopen-181605702.html

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

Ok. right now the USA/Ts Nat'l debt is 26.6 Trillion. this is 133% of our annual GDP. this is ABSOLUTELY SICK !!

and trust me. Federal C-19 bailout progams are gonna keep coming and borrowings are only gonna keep getting bigger and bigger.

Our ND could end up at 32-35T by the time this is over (right now its a endemic...cuz were hoping for a vaccine !) 

in 1980 our ND wuz 35% of GDP. in 2000 it wuz 57%. now its 133% !...at 32T it will be 161% and thats comparing it to our current booming economy !!

WHAT HAS HAPPENED ??

https://www.usdebtclock.org/#

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From wikipaedia...

As of July 2019, it appeared that the government may default on its obligations within a couple months. The budget problem was caused in part by lower tax revenue (due to new tax legislation that took effect in the 2018 tax year under which many companies had their taxes drastically reduced) and in part by the government having already reached its borrowing limit ($22 trillion as of March 2019).

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our ND has jumped up over 20% in 15 months !! THIS IS A GIANT SNOBALL and its only gonna get bigger ! hotels, cruise lines, airplanes, restaurants (95% of all private co's are restaurants) and their derivatives are all needing bailing out !...let alone we citizens.