Express if you like or do not like the new version of the site

Something that does worry me a bit, is that I am starting to find that the alternatives are not all that good, not in what I have investigated so far.

I still get updates for threads that i have unfollowed, does anyone else?

not quite the same thing for me Robbie, but i do get alerts for stuff i've already read/attended to...

I also notice a new development update, still no fixes on old problems

I am still riding the v2 train so I don't have any of those wild problems. 

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/chess-com-hiring-experienced-css-developer

CSS. Is that what the problem is?

Now, I have gone looking for other sites, and so far I have not really found much which grabs me. One mob, who get mentioned here a lot, simply botched up my application for membership. 

I will say that I do try and get a hang of V3, just in case it improves, and i am now getting some of it.

But why do they have to change all the things that worked well?

The new site is prettier in some ways, and as long as the game does not drop out, the new live play has some nice features, but the archiving aspects of the site are ruined.

The latest fortnightly Dev team update has been published: https://www.chess.com/blog/News/chess-com-dev-update-june-9-2017

I do think it's interesting that Chess.com is changing from Angular to Vue - that would seem to me to be an acknowledgement of the performance issues associated with the initial iteration of V3. It will be interesting to see what everybody's experience will be once that migration is complete, which is sounding pretty close now (albeit without a fixed delivery date).

camter you made a point that is at the heart of the issue, "why did they try to fix things that were not borken?"

Good question my friend.  

is that a move towards v4?

A de facto move, certainly.

Because I am completely bamboozled by the pace of changes to Technology, I cannot comment very helpfully about this issue.

But, seeing that one has to grant that technology makes more things possible, you would expect things to be better. 

No-one can persuade me that V3 is a success. Was it more a case of mere poor implementation? I doubt it, as errors can be fixed.

Was it a case of cheaper? I suspect there was a fair bit of that.

Was it keeping up with the Jones? To some extent, I feel.

Was it to glamorise the greats of today? You betcha, and make money from the peronality cults.

Is it to cater for the ill-educated birdbrains of today? Bulls-eye!

So, if the old features like decent archives, retrieval, and literate access are being lost, is it any wonder?

So, I do not blame in so much on the whizz bang tech, as the deliberate break with the way of thinking of an educated era past.

The Antisocial Media and Rockstar Cults have come to Chess, and its name is V3, and it will probably get worse with V4 if the present milieu continues.

But, naturally, that was not going to stop you.

 After my often stated equipment upgrade , I've no problem with any of V3's features either in respect of access to or speed  within  this site .                                                                              I appreciate the chess-playing ability , world chess news , feature and video chess instructions , the opinions of contributors and members , and the connection with other platforms ,  like "youtube" , that opens up a panoply of possibilities .                                                                                           My usage is pragmatic and as previously stated , I'm not deluded by the "maelstrom of technological subterfuge" , yet I am appreciative of technological opportunities and efficiencies that are now available.                                                                                                                              I made a commitment years ago to chess as one of my very many interests and have run tournaments , provided sponsorships and have invited participating chess luminaries from among the international elite , GM's , IM's along with our home grown and naturalized strong chess new-comer citizens and ,while otherwise promoting chess in schools and in the general community , availed  local talented and interested youngsters access to my chess library > 10,000 books on all  aspects of the game including historical  material from Cessolis on velum to modern biographical game collections and equipment and paraphernalia and ephemera ,....yes , I'm committed to this past-time as I believe it can constitute ,  generally ,  one   "normalizing" societal component that this disparate and desperate , seeking  world needs.                                 This post is to rebut the views of those that wish to cherry-pick what is offered on this site under the guise of a perceived "inadequate" offering with which their equipment ( ? ) can't apparently cope .                                                       

Thanks, cool, and no offence meant to you ar anyone.

If we are lacking the equipment, then so be it.

Update today, and the present load of junk will be obsolete again in no time.

@camter, someone somewhere down the line took Erik aside at a coffee shop and began, "wouldn't it be great if .... ".   Erik was sold on the idea and committed to whatever presentation he was spoon fed at the time.

The problem is, as you pointed out camter, the development team set about to solve the wrong problems with v2.  The crux of it being to "update" v2 to current technology which would give them the ability to do so much more.  Yet, its the so much more that is the problem with v3.

1. v3 uses a heavier CSS base than v2.  Which is why we see greater lag and much slower load times.
   
   
2. v3's CSS lacks the pagination abilities of v2.  Its the wrong 'style' style sheets for chess.  Its why we need a "focus" mode for live games.
   
   Imagine you have a bunch of loose-leaf pages (maybe 30-40 pieces of paper) of notes from a lecture or meeting somewhere.  You could throw them in to a bunch of single clear plastic folders, maybe 10 or 12 of them---cost ~$6-10 USD.  Or, you could go and get the latest uber cool looking all-in-one folder / binder with a gazillion pre-made folder-insertions with pockets and zippers and a real number-padlock on the outside... cost ~$25-40 USD.  Once you compare the two, are you going to tell your colleagues how efficient and simple the $6~$10 solution works, or, are you going to, instead, tell them how great the $25~$40 thingamajig works?   You better believe you're going to expound on the newer, high-tech solution!!! 
   
   Forget that it weighs 3x the weight of the $6-$10 solution.
   Forget that it takes you 4-5x the effort to get and find the same page of notes after you unlock the numeric keypad and flip through all the accordion inserts and zipper pockets to find the same page.
   Forget that it does the exact same function -- hold your notes in a pristine, sortable manner---and adds little else.
   
   You are going to sell your friends and family on how great the new format is... and tell them all-the-while that the $6-10 solution just isn't up to snuff anymore.
   
   
3. v3 extends chess.com in all the wrong directions - away from what v2 did to make chess.com what we all found it to be: a place to play chess and socialise/socialize with other like-minded-folk.  Even ½brained-monkeyswithguns.
   
   But, those involved with the decision would never accept that their own creation is anything but amiss.  The emporer has no clothes.. ..and needs to head to the gym.

Vey good summary, @spacebus, and you probably have nailed the reasons. I certainly can find your explanation very feasible.

I refuse to believe that chess.com deliberately set out to estrange ME.

But estrange me they did and the Dude's of this world, and many others who do not even know of the existence of this very informative thread, where all you need to know and understand is contained here.

Thsi is especially true of the last 10 pages or so.

Fortunately the V3 guys do not butt in anymore as they think we have been discredited, and V3 is the future, and @camter and his ilk are the past.

Well, their absence, the V3'ers, has enabled us to really nail what is wrong with V3.

That pagination issue is one they have to get rid of, if nothing else, because the lack of it is ruining the site.

A fix there is a necessary, but not sufficient, need to start getting back on the right track.

S_L_O_W...

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/loading-1?page=1#last_comment

"@spacebus"  I vote Spacebux has to change to this handle.   Spacebus has a nice ring to it.

Anywho, yes, 'bux's point is taken.  Unfortunately what's happening here is part of a wider trend that I've been observing in the wider world:  Everything from the decontenting of products as disparate as the quantity of ground coffee in a tin to the materials making up an Ikea SKU (never mind the desecration of toilet paper, which at one point, one needed X amount of and one now needs 3X of for the same task) to the slow eviceration of our educational system, to the deliberate denial of utility and function in websites toward a "pretty" paradigm that serves merely to be thumb sweeping for mobile users.

It sadden me to discover the growing ignorance about me that almost seems to be planned for in the most diabolical of means in order to merely aquiesce to the extraction of more profit.

After all, the easiest profit to be made is from a population that knows nothing.

  In the end, we'll be monkeys with guns and nothing more.

It was happening to me on V2 and V3...is a little better now, but still molasses.