There should be a "instant entertainment button" for all those people that get nervous from waiting. You push and a belly danceres appears, laurel and hardy do a sketch, etc..
There ought to be an "pay attention" button
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Ubik42, you said that Arrakis09 is off-topic because he describes a scenario that differs from what you mentioned (someone taking long time to think vs someone who abandoned game). But the point is that there is no simple fool-proof way to distinguish between these two scenarios. What seems like an obviously hopeless position to you may not be obvious to the opponent. Therefore to lump in "slow movers" with those who abandon games is unfair. There is no simple solution. If you sign up for a G/30 game, you must face the fact that the game could last up to 1 hour, and it might consist of mostly just waiting (just like in an OTB game).
Lou-for-you wrote:
There should be an "instant entertainment button" for all those people that get nervous from waiting. You push and a belly danceres appears, laurel and hardy do a sketch, etc..
Fantastic Idea. +10
So much better than all the rampant navel-gazing in this crazy thread.
Jan 30, 2014
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Lou-for-you wrote:
There should be an "instant entertainment button" for all those people that get nervous from waiting. You push and a belly danceres appears, laurel and hardy do a sketch, etc..
Jan 30, 2014
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#66
Whether people are in support of this or not, looks like I started a popular topic, haha!
TurboFish wrote:
What seems like an obviously hopeless position to you may not be obvious to the opponent. Therefore to lump in "slow movers" with those who abandon games is unfair. There is no simple solution. If you sign up for a G/30 game, you must face the fact that the game could last up to 1 hour, and it might consist of mostly just waiting (just like in an OTB game).
I'm sorry this is off topic.
You guys are just not getting the issue, all you can do is engage a straw man.
This has nothing to do with how hopeless a position is. I have said repeatedly if someone is playing on in a bad position, for whatever reason, more power to them. I have no complaints against this.
My issue is with the people who just stop playing.
Their idea is they are going to punish you for winning by making you wait 20 minutes until the time runs out.
I am not the one lumping in slow movers with people who abandon games, I am the one drawing a distinction between those two groups.
YOU are the guys who lump those two together, not me.
Slow movers are good. I move slow. I have a horrible time in quick time limits. I need a slow time control to think. I am old and slow. I dont mind playing against people who move slow. I have no problem with people who move slowly in bad positions. People who move slowly in bad positions are ok. I hope people take their time to think when they are in a bad position. I think people should play out bad positions carefully.
Further, I hate people who comnplain about people who move slow. Chess is a slow game. Chess is a game to think about. You move slow in chess.
I hope this beats the poor horse to death.
My problem is with people who abandon games. I get them alot.
You have all played them. You know who they are. They drop a rook, and thats the last time you see a move from them.
If they have made 20 moves in the first 10 minutes, then drops a queen and you dont see a move for another 10 minutes, well guess what? You are playing a guy who has abandoned the game. And you have to wait 10 more minutes on the game, meanwhile he has probably statrted up another game somewhere and is improving his chess while you stare at a deserted board.
I hope this is clear finally.
aerodarts wrote:
I keep the entertainment live in the next room....so when I sitting at the computer waiting for a move to be played..I clap twice and presto! I have ended up losing a lot of games that I was winning because I was waiting, waiting, waiting...oh well what is a guy to do?
In Zurich, Nakamura sat at the board for very long time in a game that looked like a dead draw. Yes, the game ended in a draw.
Ubik42, would of hit the pay attention button and Nakamura would of got and _______Ubik42!? Pay attention button?! The more I read about it on this Forum, the more I ________ it! Reminds me of someone telling me how to spend my money....
No, because Naka was still playing.
But try this. Suppose you play in OTB tournaments, say a 2 hour time control, and you notice that when your opponents blunder in the opening, with 90 minutes left to play, then instead of resigning they get up and leave the tournament hall, and you have to sit there and wait for 90 minutes to collect your wins.
And worse yet, no one is there to ask you if you would like more mimosa!
Persoanlly, when my opponents leave the tournament hall and I have to sit there waiting for an hour and a half, I want the wait staff to be attentive. A lot of martinis can flow in 90 minutes, and they ALL better have umbrellas.
Jan 30, 2014
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The Official Rules have provisions for what you posted:
"Suppose you play in OTB tournaments, say a 2 hour time control, and you notice that when your opponents blunder in the opening, with 90 minutes left to play, then instead of resigning they get up and leave the tournament hall, and you have to sit there and wait for 90 minutes to collect your wins."
The "Official Rule" for such a thing is that if your opponent leaves the building without telling the TD that he has an emergency then you go to the TD and tell him that your opponent has left the building (game). The "Official Rule" is that if he doesn't return within 15 minutes then the TD forfeits him!
I know because I had mate-in-2 on a player and he got up without saying a word, put on his coat and left (with 90 minutes left on his clock). I went to the TD and he explained to me that there was a rule to cover that and after 15 minutes he stopped the clock and I won the game. The next day the TD warned him that if he did it again he would be kicked out of the tournament!
Cheers,
Don
Ubik42 wrote:
TurboFish wrote:
What seems like an obviously hopeless position to you may not be obvious to the opponent. Therefore to lump in "slow movers" with those who abandon games is unfair. There is no simple solution. If you sign up for a G/30 game, you must face the fact that the game could last up to 1 hour, and it might consist of mostly just waiting (just like in an OTB game).
I'm sorry this is off topic.
You guys are just not getting the issue, all you can do is engage a straw man.
This has nothing to do with how hopeless a position is. I have said repeatedly if someone is playing on in a bad position, for whatever reason, more power to them. I have no complaints against this.
My issue is with the people who just stop playing.
Their idea is they are going to punish you for winning by making you wait 20 minutes until the time runs out.
I am not the one lumping in slow movers with people who abandon games, I am the one drawing a distinction between those two groups.
YOU are the guys who lump those two together, not me.
Slow movers are good. I move slow. I have a horrible time in quick time limits. I need a slow time control to think. I am old and slow. I dont mind playing against people who move slow. I have no problem with people who move slowly in bad positions. People who move slowly in bad positions are ok. I hope people take their time to think when they are in a bad position. I think people should play out bad positions carefully.
Further, I hate people who comnplain about people who move slow. Chess is a slow game. Chess is a game to think about. You move slow in chess.
I hope this beats the poor horse to death.
My problem is with people who abandon games. I get them alot.
You have all played them. You know who they are. They drop a rook, and thats the last time you see a move from them.
If they have made 20 moves in the first 10 minutes, then drops a queen and you dont see a move for another 10 minutes, well guess what? You are playing a guy who has abandoned the game. And you have to wait 10 more minutes on the game, meanwhile he has probably statrted up another game somewhere and is improving his chess while you stare at a deserted board.
I hope this is clear finally.
Nice try -- you can't refute a simple logical point (i.e., that you can't know for sure exactly what your online opponent is doing or thinking), so you call it off-topic and a strawman argument. I stand by my argument.
Jan 31, 2014
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#72
I think Eric already understands all of this by now. Going on and on about it is not going to change anything. Just let it die already.
Feb 1, 2014
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#73
You didn't read the message! He said:
"Suppose you play in OTB tournaments, say a 2 hour time control, and you notice that when your opponents blunder in the opening, with 90 minutes left to play, then instead of resigning they get up and leave the tournament hall, and you have to sit there and wait for 90 minutes to collect your wins."
Feb 3, 2014
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#74
hey all. i have read everything here. we do have a solution coming. soon, people who do that kind of behavior will not be able to play with people who don't. jerks will play jerks. nice people will play nice people. it won't stop it from EVER happening, just like how a "pay attention" button won't solve the problem, but it should help a LOT.
Coming soon to an account creation form near you:
Are you a:
1) Jerk
2) Nice person
(Please check only one)
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Feb 3, 2014
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#78
Having a 2-button option for all players might be the thing to do. One button says "jerk" the other "nice". Everyone has the option to rate the person after they play them. Then a little symbol goes beside the member's avatar as they get rated over time. Soon the jerks will be apparent to everyone. I already have several people in mind for both buttons. 
Feb 3, 2014
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#79
Do i understand well that we will have chesswell.com for the nice and chesshell.com for the jerks?
Ubik42,
My post is NOT off topic! As a former administrator I have to point out to you that such behavior seems unacceptable to you, but you do not know if something serious could have happened at the time. For example, with a pool of 8 million users at the site it is very likely that at some point an emergency could happen! It could be a heart attack, baby crying, emergecy phone call, house on fire and a thousand other things. The best way to handle these problems is thusly:
If you feel the player has broken the official FIDE rules (which in your category would fall under "Unsportmsman like conduct"), then send a complaint to the administrator and let the problem be documented. Nobody is solving any kind of problem by simply posting a message. All real problems must be documented! Next time a person pulls the same stunt and their opponent documents the problem, BINGO! The administrator now has something that can be used! "Marie" will be sent a warning message and guess what!? If "Marie" does it one more time they will be kicked off and LOCKED OUT! They will probably go back to chesshere.com where they can get away with logging back in under a different name - BUT NOT HERE!
I have total confidence that if everybody who has a problem sends it into the administrative department that it will be taken care of. Another thing that you can do is simply add "Marie" to your 'Ignore list'. Any player you put in that list will not be playing you anymore.
Cheers,
Don
Well you arent paying attention to the thread if you suggest I put Marie on an ignore list, since she was having the same problem I was having and I was supporting her. So you are reading on auto-pilot Mr. Admin.
And now here you spend a whole paragraph trashing poor Marie, who was a victim (on chesscube) of the very behaviour I am talking about, so really you need to apologize to her.
Your previous post is off topic because I have no problem with the behaviour you were talking about - someone making slow moves trying to find a way out. Thats a good chessplayer.
Yes something serious can happen. So what? If someone in my house is having a heart attack in the middle of one of my games then I dont care that I will lose the game anyway. Priorities! it is still better to have the button because then my opponent, who has absolutely no knowledge of what is going on, is not forced to wait out the entire length of the game while I deal with my emergency.
The actual emergencies are rare, unless you are willing to believe that they somehow magically transpire just at the point where my opponent has made a game losing blunder.