As expected, Nc6 is winning in a land slide. Let's go over his possible resonses 8. a3 8. cxd5 8. dxc6 or any other novelty you are aware of.
LaskerFan Jul 19, 2011
Assuming 6... c5 continues its lead, it looks like we are looking at 7. 0-0, and then we have options. Please discuss your preferences. Other moves he can make are 7. a3, where we capture the knight; or capturing one pawn or the other (perhaps some short discussion is due here on our response, despite the low probability of either move); 7. Bd2 or 7. Qc2 will result in the same move we decide on for 7. 0-0.
LaskerFan Jul 19, 2011
Français: Résumé stratégique: C5 va être notre prochain mouvement, voici ce que nous devonsfaire après c5-1. Bien que Summer_Storm a suggéré BA5 après a3, Qc2tranpsoses dans la variation classique ou le noir n'a pas vraiment exploité le développement précoce de la reine et lui donne un avantage pour le blanc. Par conséquent, l'évêque Dark-Squared a besoin d'aller en d6.2. Le C8-évêque, qui aurait dû être prêt à aller pour passer b7prochain, a besoin pour y arriver aussi vite que possible3. Le chevalier b8 doit aller à A6 ou d7. Je suggère a6, pour soutenir le carré c5 juste au cas où nous sommes forcésd'échanger sur c3 pour libérer nos c8 évêque, qui est ce Onischukva essayer d'.4. La tour f8 a besoin d'un bon dossier. Le fichier électroniquen'est pas beaucoup, le pion e6 bloquant le fichier. Une pause f5pourrait être crucial, si nous pouvons le permettre. Sinon, notrepaire de corbeaux freux devrait aller à d8 et C8 de contrôler ces deux fichiers5. Notre chevalier F6 est un morceau peu développée en vue de la structure blanche, qui contrôle le carré e4. Il a besoin de se déplacer à D7 et soutenir une e5-pause ou à e8 et ensuite à C7, Benoni style. Elle doit aussi se déplacer pour faciliter la pause F5comme mentionné au point 4.6. Notre reine a besoin de se déplacer pour faire place àl'autoroute A8-tour et le F-8 Rook si nous ne pouvons pas jouer sur F5. Un échange évêque peut être nécessaire de faire tout cela. German: Strategische Zusammenfassung:Als c5 wird unser nächster Schritt sein, hier ist was wir tun müssen,nach c5-1. Obwohl Summer_Storm hat Ba5 nach a3 vorgeschlagen, Dc2tranpsoses in der klassischen Variante, wo Schwarz nicht wirklich die Königin der frühen Entwicklung genutzt und einen Vorteil für Weiß. Daher muss die Dark-Squared Bischof auf d6 gehen.2. Die Läufer c8, die vorbereitet haben sollte, um b7 nächsten Zugzu bewegen, muss es so schnell wie möglich bekommen3. Die b8 Ritter muss mit a6 oder d7 gehen. Ich würde vorschlagen, a6, um die c5 Quadrat Unterstützung nur für den Fallhaben wir den Austausch auf c3 gezwungen sind, unsere c8Bischof, der, was Onischuk wird versuchen, steht es frei,.4. Die f8 Turm braucht eine gute Datei. Die e-Datei ist nicht viel,die e6 Bauern blockiert die Datei. Ein f5 brechen könnteentscheidend sein, wenn wir es uns leisten können. Ansonsten sollten wir zwei Türme auf d8 und c8 gehen auf diese beidenDateien steuern5. Unsere f6 Ritter ist eine schlecht entwickelte Stück im Hinblick auf weiß die Struktur, die die e4 Quadrat steuert. Es muss auf d7bewegen und unterstützen eine e5-Pause oder auf e8 und dann auf c7, Benoni-Stil. Es muss auch zu bewegen zur Erleichterung der f5 als Bruch in Punkt 4 erwähnt.6. Unsere Königin braucht sich zu bewegen, um Platz für den A8-Turm und der f-8 Turm machen, wenn wir nicht spielen könnenf5. Ein Bischof Austausch notwendig sein, um all dies zu tun.
It's a little early in the voting to declare 5... d5 the vote winner, but I figured early discussion is best and 75% for 5... d5 with ~200 votes in at the time I created this is a good majority. The most popular moves for white are: 6. Nf3 (by far) 6. a3 6. Nge2 6. cxd5
LaskerFan Jul 17, 2011
Most popular responses to 5. Bd3 in the order of the popularity are (bold moves are main lines): 5... d5 5... c5 5... d6 5... b6 5... Nc6 5... Bxc3 5... Re8 5... c6 5... Qc7 5... (something novel)
This is it Members of the Chess.com Alliance! What the Alliance was created to do and what we have been practicing for this past year! We should start by recruiting vote chess players to bring the discussion here in fear of the trolls that harmed the last game. I wanted to make a post here because chess.com pings everyone when a new topic has been posted whereas it does not when a new Vote game is starting soon. Good Luck everybody! Let's WIN this for chess.com!!! Btw, GM Onischuk is rated 200 points higher than GM Pogonina and she crushed us...we're doomed... :/ However I think we are better as a team this time around so hopefully it will go better.
Coach_Valentin Jul 15, 2011
Most popular responses to 5. Nf3 in the order of the popularity are (bold moves are main lines): 5... d5 5... c5 5... b6 5... Nc6 5... (something novel)
Most popular responses to 5. Nge2 in the order of the popularity are (bold moves are main lines): 5... d5 5... Re8 5... b6 5... c5 5... b5 5... (somthing novel)
Post here any analysis you have on other moves he may make, like 5. a3.
andrewlong Jul 14, 2011
Discuss your ideas and preferences for move 4. here. I am a little more agnostic toward the move choice this move and am perfectly fine with the 0-0 that will likely win voting. I think I lean a little more toward c5, but expect c5 to be playable next turn as well. One thing that would benefit this discussion more is typical lines after 0-0. It's hard to predict what he'll play next as he is almost evenly split between Bd3 Nge2 and Nf3 in his history (and add in that he may pick something else entirely).
andrewlong Jul 14, 2011
Post here your general discussion and any suggestions you have to make the current discussion/analysis/voting process better.
Read before posting Post your conditional move votes for each of the likely third moves from white. You must provide a reasoning with your move. You can change your vote up until the time votes are tallied, but please edit your post, do not post a second time. General discussion should be in the move 3 discussion forum. Votes will be tallied when Onischuk's turn occurs (that gives us 8 hours right now). Approximately 2:00 - 3:00 PM Eastern time. At that time I will post at the end of this forum to vote for the winning move. If there are not enough votes, I can extend voting until Onischuk moves, but not for past that as the whole purpose is to affect votes early at this point. My votes 3. Nf3 - Bb4 -- Obvious one, the Nimzo is better than any other reply, and the other replies are just poorer ways of getting to openings we already decided were not in our favor. 3. Nc3 - b6 -- The QID creates very little in the way of weaknesses for the GM to exploit. The top choice in the explorer is d5. Again we already decided against a semi-slav. Also we can sway some votes by saying blacks chances to draw or win are both improved (slightly) probablistically going by the databases. 3. g3 - c5 -- I think this provides better attacking opportunities compared with the more common d5.
andrewlong Jul 11, 2011
After black responded 47...Ka3, here is the latest position on the board: I find it hard to think of any meaningful moves for white... Staying in place by making a rook move along the 1st rank seems like the only possibility, no? To which black would respond with 48...Rf3.
Coach_Valentin May 2, 2011
The engine chose 46...a2, as expected. Here's the situation, including the latest move by both parties:
the_whitebeard Apr 27, 2011
Black played 45...Rxh3. It's our turn now. Here's the situation, including the latest move played:
Coach_Valentin Apr 22, 2011
Black's next move is 44...Rc3+. Note that this is a correction from an early post that said it was 44...Rxh3 directly. (The engine plans to take on h3, apparently, after our king has moved away.) Here's the present situation on the board (and this time the board is not static, so you can use it as an analysis board too):
the_whitebeard Apr 16, 2011
I just got news of black's next move: 43...Rd3, as expected. Here's the present situation on the board:
Coach_Valentin Apr 10, 2011
Black's (engine's) latest move was 42...e4. Let's discuss our options here, and come up with a move in the next 2 days.
Coach_Valentin Apr 8, 2011
I've reissued this challenge. But because the move order was a little odd it'll have to go from the start position so d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5 c4
Coach_Valentin Nov 25, 2010
After inaccuracies on moves 11 and perhaps 22, the Alliance pulled off an unbelievable string of 16 best moves in a row not only equalizing the slight disadvantage but even outplaying the machine to end in a completely even position. Here's the analysis mostly at 16 ply <!-- BODY,DIV,TABLE,THEAD,TBODY,TFOOT,TR,TH,TD,P { font-family:"Nimbus Sans L"; font-size:x-small } --> Move W B Shredder1 Shredder2 Shredder3 10 b5 Ne4 b5 (0.10) Qa4 (0.03) bxa5?! (-0.26) 11 Nxe4 fxe4 Qd3 (-0.05) Qc2 (-0.05) Qe1 (-0.05) 12 b6 Bxb6 b6 (-0.34) Nd2 (-0.49) Ne1 (-0.63) 13 Bg5 Qe8 Bg5 (-0.34) cxb6 (-0.56) Ne5 (-0.60) 14 cxb6 exf3 cxb6 (-0.34) Ne5 (-0.57) Nd2? (-0.97) 15 Bxf3 Nd7 Bxf3 (-0.34) exf3 (-0.39) Bh1? (-1.50) 16 Rb1 Ra6 Rb1 (-0.34) e4 (-0.44) Rc1 (-0.44) 17 Bf4 Nxb6 e4 (-0.34) Bf4 (-0.43) Rc1 (-0.44) 18 e4 Qf7 e4 (-0.42) Re1 (-0.48) Bd6 (-0.56) 19 Bh5 Qd7 Bh5 (-0.42) Re1(-0.48) a4 (-0.63) 20 Be2 Nc4 Be2 (-0.42) Re1 (-0.48) Qc2 (-0.51) 21 Bd3 b5 Bd3 (-0.42) Re1 (-0.48) e5 (-0.60) 22 e5 Qf7 Qh5 (-0.42) Re1(-0.47) Qe2(-0.54) 23 Qg4 Ra7 Qg4 (-0.60) Qc2 (-0.69) Rb3 (-0.72) 24 Qh4 g6 Qh4 (-0.60) Qh3 (-0.60) Rfd1?! (-0.95) 25 Bh6 Re8 Bh6 (-0.60) Rb3 (-0.67) Be2 (-0.72) 26 Qg4 Ba6 Qg4 (-0.60) Be2 (-0.60) Rfe1 (-0.60) 27 Rfe1 b4 Rfe1 (-0.60) Rfd1 (-0.62) Rb3?! (-0.88) 28 Rb3 a4 Rb3 (-0.60) Qe2?! (-1.15) Bf1?! (-1.16) 29 Rxb4 Nxe5 Rxb4 (-0.46) Rbb1? (-1.84) Bxc4?/ (-2.47) 30 Rxe5 Bxd3 Rxe5 (-0.46) dxe5 (-0.57) Bxg6??(-4.89) 31 Qd1 Be4 Qd1 (-0.46) Re1 (-0.56) Re3 (-0.61) 32 Bf4 Rb7 Bf4 (-0.35) a3 (-0.38) Bc1(-0.40) 33 Qxa4 Rxb4 Qxa4 (-0.35) Rxb7?! (-0.62) Qe1? (0.96) 34 Qxb4 Qa7 Qxb4 (-0.35) Qd1??(-11.15) Qa6?? (-14.96( 35 Qc3 Qxa2 Qc3 (-0.35) f3 (-0.59) Qd2? (-1.43) 36 f3 Qb1+ f3 (-0.35) Bd2? (-1.37) Qxc6? (-1.28) 37 Kg2 Qa2+ Kg2 (-0.30) Kf2 (-0.36) Bc1?! (-0.65) 38 Kh3 Qc2 Kh3 (-0.11) Kg1 (-0.38) Kf1 (-0.48)
sergiomendez Oct 14, 2010