But out of the first 10 subjects that pop up when you search for "resign", 5 - so, 50% - are clearly about the same "hot" issue.
While I'm a newbie here, I've been active on many many forums (also moderated a few) and I'm perfectly aware that this problem can't be eliminated, especially on big message boards. I know it can be somewhat minimized though
wjones4 wrote:
Why is it that someone will inevitably post the follwing: "This topic has been done to death" or "This topic has been done before" etc
People who say that, simply have nothing to add to discussion, so they mask their ignorance with a generic statement...
I see these 10 topics when I search for "resign":
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When I look at the first posting in each topic, there are certainly three threads
Showing people to resign in a hopeless game
Teaching people to resign from a hopeless position.
that deal with the most common aspects of the resignation discussion. We are now faced with another great, polarised dilemma – similar to the resignation debate: should newcomers refrain from posting what has probably been posted before?
oh crap. white's first move. e4 or d4.
but then what about black's first move?
Artfizz, I searched the chess.com website not just forums (the text box on the top), hence the difference in our results... I think we agree as to the gist of it though
Let's not reduce it ad absurdum, nobody demands people to browse thousands of old pages before they dare to ask a question, I called it a "quick check" and, as in case of our exemplary resignation debate, whether it's 3 or 5 out of 10 subjects that pop up first, it is but a trivial task for anyone to pick one of these and throw their 3 cents in there.
I did a search for "never resign". I found these 22 references.
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Those who refuse to resign when they are completely lost |
NEVER RESIGN even if you think your going to lose if you spot their attack ... OK i just want to point out that this is why you NEVER RESIGN as stated by ... |
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Class on when to resign |
I almost never resign... The reason is I want to study endgames, the weakest part of my game. Just this. The game ends in the checkmate. ... |
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They will never resign even if the game is as good as lost. You gotta try to checkmate him and pray never to meet such person again. GOODLUCK ... |
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Vote chess & Resignation |
... have a knight left and if he puts his King in the corner, we might get a smothered mate" or "I NEVER resign... there is always a chance"... yeah, right! ... |
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Those who refuse to resign when they are completely lost |
NEVER RESIGN even if you think your going to lose if you spot their attack possibly mate early enough you can avoid it and if you keep repeating that ... |
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Lack of Respect? |
It's interesting, the more people I hear talk about how rude it is not to resign, It makes me want to never resign a game again. ... |
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Asking people to resign |
well yeah, i agree with you, i never resign until i only have my king left, even if they are doing extremely bad too i just get so bored with messing around ... |
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Resign |
What can be said about the opponent who WILL NEVER resign? More specifically, what can be said about the opponent who WILL NOT resign when the game is an ... |
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Wold you fight for a draw? |
See, now I never resign. It's not that I'm fighting for a draw (usually), but that I'm still new to chess and so I like to see how my ... |
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But yeah, I never resign even in a lost position. As stated above, Transpositions, "I want to see your winning technique!" Make them earn their win, ... |
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Message from 1600+ player..No Messages!! |
I usually do resign in a lost position, But I never resign when somebody tells me to resign. I don't care about winning, I don't care about drawing. ... |
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The best thread ever |
Never resign/people don't resign enough. >> Opening X is unplayable/the best. >> Player Y was better than PlayerZ. ++ Choose two players from different eras ... |
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Resignation |
An important rule: never resign when your opponent is in time trouble. In blitz, time trouble is static. Resignations are a rare occurence in blitz. ... |
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How many of you have beat Little Chessmaster? |
He has essentially no human interaction, has been conditioned to NEVER RESIGN, and is incapable of having a coherent discussion |
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Discomfort = Resignation? |
It's these kinds of games that caused me to come to the conclusion that we non-titled players should never resign when playing each other |
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First of all, beginners are usually taught to never resign. The reason is that they are likely to play against other beginners, and thus even if their ... |
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I have played against opponents who blunder away advantages, so i never resign until the positon is hopelessly lost. I have recently had abuse for not ... |
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Wold you fight for a draw? |
See, now I never resign. It's not that I'm fighting for a draw (usually), but that I'm still new to chess and so I like to see how my opponent wins the game ... |
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... may have educational value for beginning players (and is a good reason why beginners are urged to never resign and just fight on until checkmate), ... |
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Yeah, well my policy is never resign. Reason being that anything could happen. For example the other player could take a sip of his hot tea without blowing ... |
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So guys, never resign... <reference to a specific game> |
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haha, this game remind me to never resign. |
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1. Which thread to use?: Our previous searches showed 3 or 5 threads for posting in about resigning. I must then decide: which of the 3 or 5 am I going to post in - or maybe (heaven forbid!) I should post the same comment in all of them!
2. Deja vu?: A second issue (which is why I said "had probably been said before" before), is how many unique opinions are there among the 22 above? Google makes an interesting remark at the end of a search list: "In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the N already displayed." There are only a very small number of reasons people give to justify never resigning - and they have surely all been expressed by now in the chess.com forums. But a newcomer is entitled to express them in his own words.
3. The lack of precision available on searching, and on referencing (you cannot refererence a specific contribution of a topic in HTML). This leads to repetition rather than re-use.
Vibovit gives excellent advice: if you check before you post, you may find a relevant thread; and this should be considered before starting a new one.
Paul211 suggests a powerful feature - a Game Explorer for the forums showing you the openings/discussion-points others have already used. I suspect Erik will point out the effort involved! In fact, it's already possible to use Google to search the forums.
We need a search forum thing.
Oh wait.
We already have one. So noobs--use it!
dwaxe wrote:
We need a search forum thing. Oh wait. We already have one. So noobs--use it!
uh...I thought we already addressed the issue of why people keep addressing the same issues
apparently not though so I will reiterate
uh, nevermind just read the threads like you are telling the noobs to do!!!!
Man, that's rude...telling others to read old posts when he obviously has neglected to take his own advice
unless your post is all in jest and dripping with sarcasm that I did not detect
Why is it that people refuse to resign in obviously lost positions?
artfizz wrote:
Do we need Frequently Asked Recurring Topics - in addition to FAQs?
That might be a breath of fresh air!
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No reasonable person would deny a newcomer the chance to rehash an already discussed subject (there's likely to be a finite number anyway), however, what really annoys me is members of long-standing who:
1. Jump on the band-wagon with a similarly titled forum.
2. Re-ask a question that has been very recently discussed.
The way I see it these people always seem to be the same people with high members points, and who seem to delight in the following types of reply to almost anything, "LOL" or "I agree" (incidentally, agree with what? 60 posts... 45 viewpoints expressed... and you agree? that's dumb).
I appreciate originality in a post and clarity of expression, monosyllabic "point scorers" just don't cut it for me. Got nothing to say? then don't trouble the rest of us with your cheap piffle! You know who you are. Carry on.
Some thoughts.
If you expect a forum to be a pure informational resouce then there should not be similarly titled threads (alternate places with the same information) or re-asking of FAQs, of course. But then there is a risk of stagnation, because "all new is well forgotten old" - the main activity in mature "information oriented" forums are: 1) searching through the history instead of asking; 2) snarling at those who asks before searching. It leads to frostily place - not the one the chess.com tries to be.
But if the main target of forum is to make the place for social activity (keeping the information as well) then re-asking of FAQs even in well-structured forums is a normal occurrence and an occasion for intercourse with newbie ;). Someone prefers to find information by searching without assistance, another likes to get answers from people through live (or turn-based;) communication - it's also a point of social oriented resource.
Ray_Brooks wrote:
No reasonable person would deny a newcomer the chance to rehash an already discussed subject (there's likely to be a finite number anyway), however, what really annoys me is members of long-standing who: 1. Jump on the band-wagon with a similarly titled forum. 2. Re-ask a question that has been very recently discussed. The way I see it these people always seem to be the same people with high members points, and who seem to delight in the following types of reply to almost anything, "LOL" or "I agree" (incidentally, agree with what? 60 posts... 45 viewpoints expressed... and you agree? that's dumb). I appreciate originality in a post and clarity of expression, monosyllabic "point scorers" just don't cut it for me. Got nothing to say? then don't trouble the rest of us with your cheap piffle! You know who you are. Carry on.
I agree! 
Could posting the obvious be analagous to the use of filler words (um, er or ah) in human speech? "Everything we humans say is either meaningless or meaningful. A lot of people never learn the difference." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/06/the_odd_body_language_fillers/
Re: the netiquette of Vibovit: surely, by now, virtually every topic has been raised before, so it should seldom - if ever - be necessary to start a new one. However, the forum search facility is not all that powerful. Searching for "obvious" shows me there are 230 (or more topics) containing it. Searching for "resignation" shows me there are 50 (or more) threads containing it. I would have to search more deeply to discover the most appropriate existing thread - if it even exists.