Relationship between Chess rating and I.Q?

  • #341

    solitary practice is correlated with chess success!

    Does that make chess the solitary vice? 

    If I play chess too often daily will I go blind or grow hair on my palms?

  • #342
    ponz111 wrote:

    In poker luck only is a factor in the short run. Intuition is what?

    In poker on the internet you cannot bluff via how you look.

    Very good math ability helps in poker.  Also, you must be able to

    memorize every card played that you can see.

    Also perserverance is very important and by that I mean being sharp on every hand for a long period of time.

    I used to win a lot of $ at online poker but then when my ability to stay very alert waned so did my winnings until I started only breaking even and then quit the game.

    I was only referring to poker in person, I wouldn't waste my time playing online...I would trust an money exchanges, especially in any amount worth playing for...the lack of being able to study your opponent, in a sense makes it a different game from the game that was invented for which the need of a "poker face" arose...

  • #343
    j_j_j_j_j wrote:

    Most likely there is a cutoff at some 110-130 IQ, where if you have more then this it will be of little significnce, but if you have less you will probably not reach the highest levels. The proof of this is, Kasparov had IQ 135, and can anyone name a rated 2400+ player with less then 120 IQ?

    I think your statement is accurate. It takes intelligence to play intelligently, but it only takes you so far because of the huge need for memorization and experience. They simplify the need for the intelligence it would require of a less experienced person, in order to draw the right conclusions in a given situation.

  • #344
    ponz111 wrote:

    In poker luck only is a factor in the short run. Intuition is what?

    In poker on the internet you cannot bluff via how you look.

    Very good math ability helps in poker.  Also, you must be able to

    memorize every card played that you can see.

    Also perserverance is very important and by that I mean being sharp on every hand for a long period of time.

    I used to win a lot of $ at online poker but then when my ability to stay very alert waned so did my winnings until I started only breaking even and then quit the game.

    BTW, if you think intuition is luck or chance, that is completely wrong. We can sit and debate it's origins, but I'll go with my intuition on this one, that it won't reach an answer that satisfies us both...

  • #345

    Intuition comes from experience.

    At any rate whether IQ is correlated or not it's worthless if it isn't utilized correctly.

  • #346

    BruceJuice wrote:

    Intuition comes from experience.

    At any rate whether IQ is correlated or not it's worthless if it isn't utilized correctly.

    I had my intuition warn me about many more serious things as a rather inexperienced and naive child...

  • #347

    Hello everybody, I work for a advertising firm, and me and the IT director play on this site. He is by far smarter than me, but i'm way better than him at chess. With that said, I would think a person anyone for that matter, would great at what behooves them 

  • #348

    Well said Darrell.  Nice Avatar too.  Smile

  • #349

    I believe I have already tackled a similar topic, http://blog.chess.com/kiwi_overtherainbow/the-invisible-gorilla-formula-to-success 

  • #350

    Thanks Zborg

  • #351

    Blimey! you all sound like very clever people to me!

    For me I think it's more to do with the adrenalin rush of the fight;

    or struggle, if your me?? and enjoying it.

    Nothing to do with IQ..   I Think?  Smile

  • #352

    It could also be argued that truly intelligent people don't waste their time on Chess.   Maybe it is possible that a high-functioning autistic person could show no other signs of worldly or practical intelligence, yet have mastery of chess.  

    Many intelligent people are lopsided in their intelligence - e.g. strong in some kinds of things at the expense of others.  So is that really genius?  The geniuses I've respected most were generally very good at many things, including humanistic endeavors and interpersonal relations.  But some people would consider the emotional imperfect realm of social interaction stupid.

    Intelligence doesn't instantly translate to chess wizardry.  A highly experienced chess player of a lower IQ should generally be able to trounce a genius that has little interest or exposure.  

    Really intelligent people are probably confident enough in themselves to not bother replying to a thread like this. :-)

  • #353

    Chess is only a sport if you play on a  board so large that you have to carry the pieces with great effort from square to square and have a time limit. I have seen a park where they do it, and there are a few others too. Here is one. In San Clemente California :

     

     
     
     

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  • #354

    You are unfamiliar with mental-sporting contests then? So make assumption that all sport involves is physical-brawn??

    The mind (brain) is a physical organ like any other that may be exercised through sport.

  • #355
    netzach wrote:

    You unfamiliar with mental-sporting contests then? So make assumption that all sport involves is physical-brawn??

    What separates a game from the a sport is the physical aspect...shall we make sport of this ? lol

    In my mind there is a difference and I have to draw a line somewhere... certainly the terms can be used interchangably, but I think sport better describes a  more physical type of game, while a game is more mental...when they are good combinations of both, it isn't such a big deal to me...at least I am consistent...Cool

  • #356

    Well. We know what you think then. Have you considered the part the mind plays in your definition of sport? (physical-oomph) ie: Tennis or Boxing.

  • #357

    I find it interesting that people think there is not a physical aspect to chess. I know that OTB tournaments tire me out considerably, and Kasparov attributed much of his longevity to his rigorous physical training to ensure that he had the physical endurance to perform well. 

  • #358
    netzach wrote:

    Well. We know what you think then. Have you considered the part the mind plays in your definition of sport? (physical-oomph) ie: Tennis or Boxing.

    That's part of the reason I enjoy a good game of tennis or playing my boxing game...I am getting too old for that sport...

  • #359

    And the majority of chess GM's retire for the exact same reason before the age most quit other vocations.

  • #360
    netzach wrote:

    And the majority of chess GM's retire for the exact same reason before the age most quit other vocations.

    I wish in my early 20's I'd have moved to Russia to become a chess boxer...wow, many of the women in the western part, of the Former Soviet Union are absolutely beautiful....

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