The Budapest Question

  • #1

     

    So The Question Is Posed, Who Is Better Off Black With His Overall Setup, Or White With His Extra Pawn And Bishop Pair? Opinions?

  • #2

    I Myself Prefer Blacks Chances After 10...  d6 Opening Up The Bishop And Protecting the c7 Pawn, Followed By A Castle Giving The Semi-Open File To Blacks Rook, Pointing Right At White's Kingside. Plus, I Feel Like White's Double Pawns Lead To A Pretty Weak Queenside.

  • #3

    The question isn't if White is better, but if he has realistic winning chances due to his queenside split pawns.

    I like the way GM Predrag Nikolic treated the position against Hector (not to be found at game explorer), although it's not sure white's advantage is more than symbolic.

    Black has absolutely no chances for an advantage in those positions, unless white blunders something.

  • #4

    So A Draw Then, Judging By What You Are Saying, Neither Side Should Have Realistic Winning Chances Unless The Other Messes Up.

  • #5

    By Any Chance Are You German?

  • #6

    No, I Am Not German. Yeah I Have Seen The Other Line With Fairly Decent Gameplay.

  • #7
    Benny_B wrote:

    So A Draw Then, Judging By What You Are Saying, Neither Side Should Have Realistic Winning Chances Unless The Other Messes Up.


    Nikolic won in nice fashion. I said white has winning chances but it's difficult to convert, while Black has zero winning chances.

    And yes, white has two rather better ways to deal with the Budapest. I like best the system suggested in Kiril Georgiev's book- Black is really suffering there.

  • #8

    Germans Also Capitalize A Lot Of Words.

  • #9

    White is a bit better, but the c-pawn has almost no value. There's theoretical lines where white goes c5 to sac the pawn. That means only the bishop's pair remains, which is why I don't like the Nc3 lines too much.

  • #10

    Hmm, Dutchday, I Never Thought About A c5 Sac, Kind Of Interesting I Must Say.

  • #11

    Well if you're interested I found the line where it happened.

  • #12
    AndyClifton wrote:

    Germans Also Capitalize A Lot Of Words.


    That Is A Prejudice.

  • #13

    Hmm, Nice Post Dutchday, I Feel Black Could Of Stopped That A Little Better.

  • #14

    Sure. A sample line is a sample line, though it is real theory. Now if you can find something better for black, or if you can discover why another move won't change much either, then you will learn something about the position.

  • #15

    Yeah, It Is. Just Some Moves With The Knight Look Rather Iffy In The Game. But Sample Is a Sample, Does Not Need to Be Anything More I Guess.

  • #16

    That "sample line" with 12...Na5 is actually Van Wely-Blatny, played some 16 years ago. Black has not repeated the move, because white is simply better.

    Black normally plays either ...Bd7 or ...Bg4 followed by ...Rae8. Structures are almost identical, although Bg4 is probably a bit more accurate. The verdict is the usual one: Black may hold, but he needs to work on that.

  • #17

    Actually that game went 16.Nd4

    You may be right that the Na5 line is not the best, though my theory doesn't clarify. Anyway. I was just showing the c-pawn sac.

  • #18

    The c-pawn sac happened (afaik) in the ...Bd7/Rae8 line (an old game between Ian Rogers and Nordmund Miezis, annotated in the Budapest book by Viktor Moskalenko). This is interesting stuff- but that said... Black has no equality visible.

    IMO the most challenging line for Black is that where white does not commit his bishop at f4, nor he tries keeping the extra pawn- but instead develops smoothly by e3, Be2, 0-0, b3, Bb2 (the line Kiril Georgiev suggests). Black's normal recipe to avoid positional suffocation is the well-known ...a5/...Ra6-h6 aggressive recipe, but against proper play by white, this plan simply does not work.

  • #19

    I Feel That Black Has Potential Though, Lots Of Things Could Go Wrong for White.

  • #20
    PatzerLars wrote:
    AndyClifton wrote:

    Germans Also Capitalize A Lot Of Words.


    That Is A Prejudice.


    Thank You!  I Pride Myself On My Prejudice.

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