The story is also telling us a successful female chess player needs to be beautiful and sexy. While the male chess players can be ugly. This is not encouraging to young female chess players. DO NOT BRING BACK BETH HARMON BOTS!
Please explain when, exactly, the story said, or even implied, that.
The story is demeaning to female chess players. It’s so bad, totally inappropriate for kids. Not only there’s substance abuse, alcohol addiction, profanity, she’s not even a real person. The story is also telling us a successful female chess player needs to be beautiful and sexy. While the male chess players can be ugly. This is not encouraging to young female chess players. DO NOT BRING BACK BETH HARMON BOTS!
Trust me on this. I started playing before the Fischer-Spassky match in 1972. My USCF membership number was 8 digits and started with 10 ...
Females were marginalized in those days. I remember that I was often the only girl playing in a tournament. What Beth experienced in the book and television is not off the mark.
History is sometimes ugly.
The story is demeaning to female chess players. It’s so bad, totally inappropriate for kids. Not only there’s substance abuse, alcohol addiction, profanity, she’s not even a real person. The story is also telling us a successful female chess player needs to be beautiful and sexy. While the male chess players can be ugly. This is not encouraging to young female chess players. DO NOT BRING BACK BETH HARMON BOTS!
you completely misunderstood the whole series
please rewatch it with a different perspective
Gbtgba - how old are you? What is your educational level?
You strike me as young and inexperienced. Of course, I'm old, so most everybody is young and inexperienced!
JUST BRIG
BTW, I actually agree about bringing back the Beth Harmon bot. I will talk to the people I know at Netflix to try to resolve the issues. My previous comment was merely meant to stir the proverbial pot of forum stew because we need more intense discussions on this damn forum. Now get to it
If ur gonna make useless posts for attention at least make it entertaining, and not some boring mini paragraph.
Gbtgba - how old are you? What is your educational level?
You strike me as young and inexperienced. Of course, I'm old, so most everybody is young and inexperienced!
No comment on my age or education level. Maybe I’m not as experienced as you Jamie, but I’m very perceptive and observant.
That's fine. You are entitled to your privacy.
You said you had not read the book upon which the series was based. True?
As I recall, Sonia, there was a disclaimer, "Used by permission."
As I see it, it was a win-win-win situation for chess.com, NetFlix, and the Walter Tevis estate. Everybody benefits from the popularity and tie-ins.
Too logical???
The site apparently had a limited time license to use the character and likeness. I'm sure the site could probably negotiate the continued use, but it might not be financially feasible.
netflix would probably pay you folks to use joshua mansky's bot
just don't show them the bunny's review ...
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/off-topic/worst-chess-movie
Right I didn’t read the book. Now I downloaded a sample of the book and read 3 pages. Seems to me just the same as the series. What’s different?
The book better develops the Beth character.
Right I didn’t read the book. Now I downloaded a sample of the book and read 3 pages. Seems to me just the same as the series. What’s different?
I was tempted to stop watching about a minute after starting, when Harmon indeed woke up in the opening scene just as described above, and then breasted boobily to the stairs and titted downwards. Terrible writing, so cliché as to be painful.
Anyway, instead, I made it through about half of the first episode before turning it off as the drivel I found it to be.
Perhaps later in the series there is a little more around chess and a little less badly written fanservice thinly disguised as a plot, but they lost me with their impressively poor opening.
It is difficult to argue from a position of anything but ignorance, when you admit you did not read the book, or watch more the half of the first episode.
Right I didn’t read the book. Now I downloaded a sample of the book and read 3 pages. Seems to me just the same as the series. What’s different?
I was tempted to stop watching about a minute after starting, when Harmon indeed woke up in the opening scene just as described above, and then breasted boobily to the stairs and titted downwards. Terrible writing, so cliché as to be painful.
Anyway, instead, I made it through about half of the first episode before turning it off as the drivel I found it to be.
Perhaps later in the series there is a little more around chess and a little less badly written fanservice thinly disguised as a plot, but they lost me with their impressively poor opening.
I wonder if you'll complain just as much when women writers do the same thing to men.
Regards the gender flip and whether I'd feel the same way:
Part of my work involves reading, analysing, reviewing many books. "Male writers writing women badly" is a huge thing, and there are a stack of very clearly definable lazy bad writing tropes under that umbrella. "Female writers writing men badly" isn't really a thing. I mean, it can happen, obviously, but statistically, it's nowhere near in the same league.
Regards being ignorant:
I think my professional opinion does count for something. Indeed, that's why people pay me for it. When I'm being paid, I'll obviously read a whole work before giving my feedback. But if I'm not? I don't need to eat a whole meal to know that the first couple of bites were unpalatable and truthfully speak accordingly.
As they used to say when I was young: "Different strokes for different folks."
Ĉu justa ekzemplo?
The first 3 pages of the book convinced me the book must be worse than the series. And no Anstasia will not complain. You can write anything about men.
Well then that just shows the complete Cognitive dissonance by people.
And im sorry but just because you're paid to review a book doesn't mean your review or opinion is more accurate or more important than someone elses.
It's very similar to movie critics. They often give extremely bad takes on content that the majority otherwise find to be very well thought out and entertaining, and they also give some very good takes on content that the majority finds appalling, case in point with the newest star wars movie with that female lead which was horrific.
As they used to say when I was young: "Different strokes for different folks."
This isn't a situation whereby "refutation by counterexample" provides any actual refutation. Since the argument was simply that "male writers writing women badly" is a huge thing, diving in with #NotAllMen doesn't really change anything. I love Tolstoy (as an example from that list) too, and have written high praise for many contemporary male authors, including some who wrote female characters superlatively well. That doesn't change the fact that very many men write female characters very badly.
Mi ne certas pri kial vi skribis ĉi tion Esperante, sed tio min feliĉigis!
The first 3 pages of the book convinced me the book must be worse than the series. And no Anstasia will not complain. You can write anything about men.
Well then that just shows the complete Cognitive dissonance by people.
I'll speak for myself, and reiterate: female writers writing men badly simply isn't anywhere near as widespread as male writers writing women badly, and consequently, the tropes of such are not so well-established.
I'll praise or criticise writing as I judge it, regardless of the gender of the writer(s) and/or character(s). When I say "male writers writing women badly is a huge thing", it's not an agenda on my part, it's an observation. When I say the reciprocal situation isn't really a big thing, that again is an observation.
Beth Harmon is not a good role model for kids. She says the c word, addicted to drug and alcohol, steal magazines...Probably not a good idea to bring her back.
Beth is a victim of an awful childhood and broken social system. The story is one of her overcoming her challenges and handicaps.
Chess, and her few friends, help her keep her sanity.