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Hello! I would like to add new starting position to the list to play it rated. It's board good for Antichess. Pawns promote on the 11th rank R-0,0,0,0-1,1,1,1-1,1,1,1-0,0,0,0-0-{'kingSquares':'k3','d3','c11','l11')}-3,yR,yQ,yN,yP,gP,gN,gQ,gR,3/3,yB,yK,yP,2,gP,gK,gB,3/3,yK,yP,4,gP,gK,3/yR,yB,yK,yP,6,gP,gK,gB,gR/yQ,yK,yP,3,rP,4,gP,gK,gQ/yN,yP,3,rP,1,rP,bP,3,gP,gN/yP,4,gP,rP,bP,1,bP,3,gP/bP,3,gP,1,gP,yP,bP,4,rP/bN,bP,3,gP,yP,1,yP,3,rP,rN/bQ,bK,bP,4,yP,3,rP,rK,rQ/bR,bB,bK,bP,6,rP,rK,rB,rR/3,bK,bP,4,rP,rK,3/3,bB,bK,bP,2,rP,rK,rB,3/3,bR,bQ,bN,bP,rP,rN,rQ,rR,3

In a field like this, where I am the lowest rated player by far, I arrived in second place. Yet I lost points, how's that possible?

why iisnt it on its own in the play section?

Hello, I was in a 1600+ teams game and then everyone disconnected 3 times aaaaand then I lost because I didn't reconnect in time. Can I get a refund? This is the game: https://www.chess.com/variants/4-player-chess/game/26614330/12/4 >> have a good day, people. <<

First we are going to know a little about the history that is known about this cultural game. It is currently gaining popularity among Chess players and we find it interesting to know what you think of this game; You can leave us your appreciation below in the comments.We are going to give a brief summary of what it is about and we will give the rules of the old game and the differences that exist with the current rules.Historians indicate that Chaturaji is a predecessor of Chaturanga, and therefore the Ancestor of Modern Chess. Chaturaji (meaning "four kings"), The term Chaturaji refers to a position in the game comparable to checkmate in chess. Also known as "Choupat", [ca:upa:ʈ]) is a version of chaturanga for four players. The first news that we have of it appears in the book India de Biruni around the year 1030."But like all stories and myths, there are multiple versions". Terms: - Rajah (king)- Victory = called Chaturaji, there is no check or checkmate.- Promotion = it is called Shatpada or six steps. "We can say that Chaturaji is the first chess game for 4 that was created in history". Differences with Current Chaturaji: - The rules are different.- The movements of the pieces are also- There is no "check".- The position of the pieces also changes.- In ancient times they played with dice, so there was the luck factor and not 100% precision, since they used it to make bets. Old rules: The king, the rook (called an elephant) and the knight move like in chess. The pawn also moves as in chess, but does not have the option of the initial double move. Also the rules for promotion are different. Chaturaji's starting position, allies are on opposite corners of the board. In this game, the bishop is called a ship. Move diagonally, skipping one square (see the diagram with the movement of the bishop in Shatranj). When the ship moves so that it forms a 2x2 square filled with ships, it captures all three of the other players' ships (see diagram). Each turn two dice are rolled. Normally four-sided oblong dice were used, although it is possible to do so with cubic dice. The piece to move was determined by the die (four-sided dice had neither 1 nor 6):1 or 5 - pawn or king2 - ship3 - horses4 or 6 - elephantEach turn you can make two plays, one for each die. The same or different pieces could be moved and the player could "skip or pass" making one of his two moves if he so wished.Naval victory rule. White's ship on c3 can capture all other ships by moving to e5. Each of the ships belongs to a different player. As mentioned above, there is no check or checkmate. The king can be captured like any other piece. The object of the game is to earn as many points as possible. Points were earned by capturing opponents' pieces, according to the following scale: pawn - 1boat - 2horses - 3elephant - 4King - 5. Note:Whoever captures the 3 opposing kings gets 54 points if his remains on the board. 54 is the value of the sum of points of all the pieces of three armies.According to the rules of the game in the "quoted Purana", which Vyasa gives to Prince Indix, the game had other more complicated rules, such as:If a Rajah (king) can successively occupy the thrones of the three Princes, he obtains victory, called chaturaji; and the bet is doubled if he kills the last of the three shortly before taking possession of a throne; but if he kills him on his own throne, the stake is quadrupled.When a player has his own Raja on the board and his ally's has been captured, he can replace his fellow captive if he manages to take the two opposing Rajas, and if he doesn't reach this goal, he can exchange his Raja for one of them and redeem to the ally who will put himself in his place. When a Rajah has placed himself on another Rajah's square, this advantage is called shinhasana and is doubled if he kills his opponent by taking his place, and if he can sit on his ally's throne, he takes command of the entire army.If a Pawn can reach one of the squares at the opposite end of the board, except for the Raja and the Ship, it assumes the faculties belonging to that square, this promotion is called shatpada or six steps. Whether the shinhasana or the chaturaji wins, the Rajah must be supported by the Elephants and all the assembled pieces. There can be neither victory nor defeat if the Rajah is left on the plain without any force, a situation which is called cacacashta. If three Ships are found together and the fourth can reach the remaining angle above them, it is called urihnnanca, and the fourth takes the other three. More information: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaturaji#:~:text=El%20Chaturaji%20(cuyo%20significado%20es,Biruni%20alrededor%20del%20a%C3%B1o%201030. Note:Currently some players play Chaturaji with the rules that are known, but omitting the use of dice. ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ ════ ⋆★⋆ ════ ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ Why change the name? We consider that it is not necessary to change the name. Currently, we are not playing Historical Chaturaji, there are many differences, mentioned above. This can cause confusion for people who want to read the rules in global media such as the internet, so it is also important to publish the new rules globally. However, it is not necessary to change the name, since it would seem an offense to History, Chess was also improved and/or perfected over time and did not change its current name. How to support this thesis? This thesis can be directly supported by what people think about the weakness of the green pieces, that in modern times precision, justice and balance are required. Additionally, if the engines deliver a favorable factor, this type of analysis can be attached. ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ ════ ⋆★⋆ ════ ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ "One of the people who has perfected this excellent game is Henrik Storesund, better known as @hest1805 , Inventor of chaturaji hyper fiesta and other less famous 4-player chess variants".Current Rules: Capture more pieces than your opponents and watch out for your king! There are no checks or checkmates—instead, kings can be captured. Pawns promote to rooks (sailboats). Free For All (FFA) The goal is to finish with the most points of any player. Points may be earned in the following ways: Capturing active (colored) pieces: pawns +1, knights +3, bishops +5, rooks +5, queens +9, kings +3, Checking two players simultaneously: +1 Checking three players simultaneously: +5 Pawns will promote on your 8th rank. Pieces become “dead” (grey) when a player is eliminated. Capturing dead pieces does not award any points. Gameplay begins with the Red player. Clockwise move order: Red, Blue, Yellow, Green. The game is finished when three players have been eliminated. The last remaining player will be given +3 for each enemy king left on the board. Claim Win means a player is so far ahead on points that he will win even if he resigns. Autoclaim means a player is forced to claim the win (eg resign) immediately to protect the player in 2nd place. In case of insufficient material, threefold repetition or the 50-move rule, the remaining players will share the points of the remaining kings. Points do not directly affect rating changes, only final placement does. A disconnected player has 60 seconds to reconnect before being forfeit on time. IMPORTANT: Players must think independently. It is prohibited to suggest moves and/or coordinate attacks using chat (or other means of communication) during FFA 4PC games! Also players may not discuss blunders which can be fixed, but may discuss what already happened and cannot be undone. If you break this rule you will be chat-banned or even play-banned! Examples of prohibited phrases: "Check red", "Let's attack green together", "I won't take your queen", "Mind your rook", "Protect your pawn", "Mate in 2". You can use these and similar phrases in chat after a game, but not during a game. IMPORTANT: It is prohibited to ask other players to give you points! For example: "Give me 7 points and I will resign.", "Just 5 points, ple-e-ease!" You can be chat-banned for doing this.▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ ════ ⋆★⋆ ════ ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ ⚔️ The Chaturaji Masters' Club🛡️ https://www.chess.com/club/the-chaturaji-masters-club ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ ════ ⋆★⋆ ════ ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ Debate: We are very interested in this discussion, and it seems that green pieces are at a clear positional disadvantage, so much so that they have a forced move on their first move. |1.- What version of starting position of the king do you prefer in chaturaji?2.- The current position is unfair, for green pieces?Poll let's go:We will leave a poll here: https://forms.gle/aoaVcExgFAmn3RXy9Change of position, definitive solution?Some tests performed with the new starting position:@hest1805 | @adhd74000 | @Member243 | @martinaxohttps://www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/26537908/38/4@Max_Wolfe | @martinaxo | Futer0 | Futer1https://www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/26724329/276/3▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ ════ ⋆★⋆ ════ ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ Chaturaji has become one of my favorite games of late, and I understand that very well. I consider that I have a good ability, but there are players superior to me, anyway I managed to be very competent in my last battle against the gods of Chaturaji, I leave you my last game:@dbaralic (2253) | @smfz1 (2133) | @Jaisuraj (2423) | @martinaxo (2098)https://www.chess.com/variants/chaturaji/game/26693565 Is the opinion of the people very important? Of course it is, and even more so for those who play today. We invite all game fans to give their grain of sand by virtue of this game and tell us what you think. I hope you like it, sharing your vision of the game and tell us what you think of a possible perfecting or improvement to this excellent game.Greets you sincerely, and see you in a next battle.Martinaxo

I must say I personally hate the 1 point queen rule in FFA. It encourages early pawn promotions and not creativity. The rule should be QRBN just like in standard chess. Queens should always be worth 9 points in my opinion. You should have the freedom to select whatever piece you want to promote to. The 1 point queen rule complicates the decision whether to trade a 1 queen with a 5 point rook or not, since the player with the most points wins. Someone could choose to trade their queens with a rook or knight to have the most points. Whenever someone punishes a mistake made by an opponent, who promotes his pieces too early or makes a mistake with his queen, the player should be rewarded with 9 points, not 1, since the player with most points wins. Another issue I've noticed since the last update is that you can no longer create a game with the no zombies rule without it becoming casual. I've always prefered the no zombies rule. The zombie kings can sometimes be a distraction and nuisance. It's hard to concentrate on the existing opponents, if a queen just keeps moving around. I've played games before where the zombie king took my pieces, and I had to move them away, so I couldn't place them wherever I wanted and fully focus on my existing opponents.

Trying to play hyper bullet with this current server is a pain in the neck:

A simple tally of how many games I played, and how many had multiple players disconnect. (These do not include games where only I disconnected.) April 29: Games played 8 (?) / Game disconnects 1. Percent Disconnected ~12.5%. (I don't remember exactly how many games I played.)

I repeatedly lagged out during my last game https://www.chess.com/variants/4-player-chess/game/26615086/54/1 and given that it was mate in 1, could I request a rating refund?

Red to move, find a way to lose this position.

There are a lot of discussions about the best setup going on. A lot of players are complaining about New Standard (Omatomix) And I don't fully understand why. But having Queens and Kings on the same diagonals might lead to too aggressive openings... Old Standard is obviously not the way to go because as everybody knows it's a disadvantage for green and blue in Teams and in FFA. So the suggestion is bsrti: Red and Blue king on the right, Yellow and Green King on the left.This is a nice suggestion but I think the King on the left is a disadvantage and as moving later is obviously a disadvantage as well I would suggest bsrti-invert. What do you think?

What was wrong with Old Standard that admins felt the need to change? Who cares if it's imbalanced since each game you get a different color and it evens out over time. Furthermore people liked it and were used to it and I didn't read a lot of complaints about old 4pc!

can't find 4 player chess is there a system problem

Some people claim, that Omatamix has very few valid opening lines and is therefore monotonous. This is of course especially true for high elo where even small mistakes are getting punished. Well, I played 4 games against @Cha_ChaRealsmooth @rojitto and @Grathieben on Saturday. The strongest players in the world. And each game was totally different. Red, Blue and Yellow varied between two first moves each. So it happened that even before green made his first move, we had a different game on the board. Here are the games:26464703264650122646525626465567 So if the strongest players playing games against each other having totally different games, why do you have the same games again and again, if you play against different people? Omatamix has enough variation even on the highest of levels. So if anybody claims that Omatamix is boring, it's their own fault. Cheers Michael

Green to move, find the only bad move in the position. Hint: This was an anonymous game and below is a picture of 1.b

This is a awful bug when half of my peices can't move and i losed -50 bcs of it

May as well post this here… Is Twitch/YT/a streaming platform actually required? It’s not physically possible to cheat in 4PC, especially at faster time controls. Also, what about VODs? They do need to be public, right? Instead of making multiple accounts, would it be possible for admins to simply reset all ratings on a designated speedrun? I’ve asked this once and gotten no answer; almost a year ago (https://www.chess.com/clubs/forum/view/should-restart-accounts-be-disallowed). In the world of variants, where rating changes are up to 4 times more dramatic than in standard, what are the admins’ stance on this? Should it count as smurfing? Or is it not bannable as it does not go against the general TOS? And how is it confirmed that one account is actually the same person as another? Is it required to put your main account’s username in the status? Is this any different for blindfold accounts? (Asking this because I see @EvenBlinderThanB4) Finally, are “nonsense” speedruns allowed? Like for example blindfold in a bullet time control where it would be impossible to remember the position of every piece.

If you were linked to this page from a tournament game, please read below, although the information about tournament prizes can be found at the bottom. In a short while, 4-Player Chess will find a new home on chess.com/variants. As part of this changeover, we will likely be changing the "Standard" starting position of 4PC for both Teams and Singles play by switching Blue and Green's king and queen position. This setup was first suggested by @omatamix, so the position is commonly referred to in that player's namesake. The "New Standard" tournaments (Teams, FFA <2350, and FFA 2200+) are the admin team's way of asking for and gathering feedback from the community. We hope to have a large enough sample size through these tournaments that we can effectively analyse gameplay statistics to get a better sense of how this setup is played by humans rather than engines. Additionally, this is a good chance for the more competitive among the playerbase to familiarise themselves with the new setup and have a focused effort on developing new theory. But we want to hear your feedback too! Regardless of your rating, experience, and opinion about the Omatamix setup, please feel free to use this thread to discuss advantages, disadvantages, theory, interesting games, and your opinion in general. Please keep the discussion respectful (of course), and focused on how the change will affect the 4PC community and popularity of the game. Through our strong encouragement for all players to participate, we're offering incentives. At the conclusion of the tournaments, the following prizes will be awarded: First place in each of the three tournaments: one-month Diamond membership to chess.com Two randomly chosen participants with 10+ (nonaborted) games combined in any of the tournaments: one-month Gold membership to chess.com (or 10 additional days to an existing Diamond membership) Prizes can be given to another player of the recipient's choosing, if not personally needed/desired. Special note for the 2200+ tournament: The games are scored in the "Solo" scheme, meaning that although they are listed as FFA, only the first place finisher will receive tournament points. This is a closer match to how games at this level will be scored on the variants server. Thank you for your participation, discussions, and contributing to 4PC's future! TOURNAMENT WINNERS: Open: @humanvacuumcleaner Elite: @martinaxo Teams: @Harbees First Random: @JimSax2020 Second Random: @rojitto (You will all receive your respective prizes soon.) Congratulations, and thank you to all our participants!