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Hello Chess.com 4players community,Link to [removed by admin] I recently encountered an issue while playing a regular game where a blue player explicitly sought assistance from a green player in the chat, and they subsequently teamed up against me. Given a previous incident where I was mistakenly blocked, I'm now seeking insights from fellow players. [image removed by admin] Has anyone faced a similar situation, and if so, were the players involved penalized? I'm curious to know if collaborative assistance is considered a violation and if there are measures in place to address such instances. Additionally, considering my past experience with an erroneous block, is there a way for me to verify if appropriate actions are taken in cases like these? Your input and experiences are highly appreciated. Let's discuss and shed light on the fairness of gameplay in four-player chess. Thank you.

This thread is for discussing the new version of 4-Player-Chess. Post your suggestions here, tell us what you like, and what you don't. For Bug reports, please use this topic: https://www.chess.com/clubs/forum/view/list-of-known-bugs > @GongGong0607 > I don't understand the full logic behind the point system. Why do I get +13 p and my partner only gets +12 p? The new rating system (Glicko) takes into account how many games you played. If your partner played more games than you, his rating may be more stable. So, his rating change is smaller. Even if you played in 1 team and you both had the same rating before the game. > @GongGong0607 > Players who resigning without playing 10-20 moves should be the only ones who got punished with point-loss. Currently the rules are: FFA: If a player resigns or times out before having made at least 4 moves, he will lose rating and the game will be aborted. Exceptions: a player has already gained points, or the player that resigned/timed out was in check. Teams: If a player resigns or times out on his first move, he will lose rating and the game will be aborted. These rules were applied yesterday when we released the new 4PC version. Currently we are not going to change it to 10-20 moves. The rules can be changed in future, but I don't think it will jump from 4 moves to 10 or 20. > @GongGong0607 > The new chatbot with the fat letters is disturbing the view on the game. It is like driving a car, and a bird plays Peek-A-Boo in the right side mirror. The chat panel has a transparent background now. Bold letters are visible on all backgrounds. However, I will think about it. Perhaps we'll make an option (settings) to use a regular font weight in chat messages.

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I was testing a custom variant vs computer and I aborted some games but it was only unrated games vs a computer so why does it still flag it.

What ur think about this?

I don't hear sounds when I play. I hear music, every sounds on computer, my web sound is on, also in settings I have sound on 100% and I it doesn't work. Can someone help?

Hi everyone, There is a highly welcome poll about FFA vs solo mode in Chaturaji. However, since the comments in that forum are so strictly positive about the coming change I wanted to supply a few words of caution. 1. I don't necessarily churn playing for 2nd place as a mark of poor play or "bad quality" as most of the commentators (and also admin) seem to see it. Rather, many in many situations in both chaturaji and 4PC you can opt for risky strategies that are dynamic and add life to the game. Mostly in solo mode, such strategies are immediately punished, which makes for a more cautious and also more predictable game. I for one do no see those qualities as the sole qualities in any type of chess. Solo play in 4player variants has its value, but I think it would be a great shame to "phase out" the FFA-mode among strong players, which is what most players (and also admin) seem to want. I am around (2200) and I think the FFA mode is fun to play and leaves room for daring ways of attack that will be stifled by monopolizing the solo mode. 2. The anti-cheating argument is brought up against the FFA mode in general. If the two winners of an FFA-match are a secret team, they can handily share the points for the two top positions. This is a real problem, I've seen it happen and it is of course vastly irritating. The same goes for the FFA mode in 4PC where cheating becomes even more obvious, when people are letting their friends' pieces hang while they capture yours. However, I suggest that we should not let the cheaters dictate ways to play chess. Cheating can and will occur however the rules are set. Me, I am a recreational player who don't take rating so seriously (especially not in variants), so I just block those who I perceive as cheaters and go on to play with a lot of nice (not cheating) opponents. All in all, I think FFA should be kept and defended. It has a lot to teach about 4player strategy and dynamic. I also think I have earned second place many times as a part of very ambitious play and creative but daring calculations. As for cheating in FFA 4PC and Chaturaji, I think there might exist interesting ways of countering it by adding some rules that disable lopsided play. Thanks for the word, please tell me what you think in this matter! All the best to all you honest players out there, and I wish you all a good chess year 2024! Yours Johannes Spartak

Hi everyone

How could I forfeit on time if it wasn't my turn to move?

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Hey Everyone,Thank you all once again for participating and watching the World 4 Player Chess Championships (W4PCC)! Chess.com will be hosting the first New Standard Self-Partner Teams W4PCC commencing Friday, September 1, 2023. Schedule of the 2023 Self-Partner W4PCC: September 1 00:00 UTC: The Highest Rated 8 from Self-Partner Blitz Leaderboard with a glicko RD of less than 70 are selected as the first 8 candidates. Those candidates will qualify for Round 1 and play in any of the September 16 and 17 time slots (0:00, 12:00, 16:00, or 20:00 UTC) on a first come first serve basis. Only the top 1 will be guaranteed their first choice. Players on the leaderboard will be messaged and expected to reply prior to September 8 00:00 UTC with their preferences of times they would like to compete on the weekend of September 16-17, in order. Replacements will be in order of the next players on the September 1 00:00 UTC Self-Partner Blitz leaderboard without regards to Rating Deviation, the highest rated on the September 1 00:00 UTC 4 Player Teams Rapid leaderboard without regards to Rating Deviation, and then the highest rated 4 Player Teams Rapid player following* the Tournament Director (TD) or referee in charge. September 9-10 00:00, 12:00, 16:00, and 20:00 UTC: 8x 1.5-hour 2+10 qualifier Self-Partner arenas followed by a single game between the top 2. Top 2 of each arena challenge each other in a single game and the winner of that game qualifies. Games will be rated. Players that fall below 1600 Self-Partner Blitz during the Arena can still complete the arena. Arena scoring will be 2W-1D-0L. Streak bonuses will be removed. Winners of those arenas will play the leaderboard players in Round 1 on the same day of the week and time as the arena which they qualified from (the Saturday September 9 00:00 UTC arena winner plays on Saturday September 16 00:00 UTC and so forth, their arena starting time plus seven (7) days). Winners of those arenas are not to continue playing in further qualifier arenas. Round 1 (Bracket of 16) is a Best-of-5 single elimination. Round 1 will be played on September 16 and 17 at 00:00, 12:00, 16:00, and 20:00 UTC depending on the choices of the Leaderboard players as well as what is lined up with which qualifier arena the player qualified from. Round 1 will be eight matches of one leaderboard player versus one arena winner. Winners (8) of Round 1 play Round 2 Best-of-5 on September 23, 2023 at their respective time slots**, and those winners (4) play against each other in Semi-Finals on the weekend of October 7-October 8** in a best-of 7 but can schedule against each other. #1 rating vs #4 and #2 vs #3 as of September 24, 2023 0 UTC. Finals are a Best-of-12, October 28-29** (and November 4 if necessary) 18:00 UTC. Only ONE player will win the prize.**Players will each two total opportunities to reschedule. For more information, please see post #48. For all games, pawns promote on the 11th rank to a queen, rook, bishop, or knight, and the en passant mode will be enabled. *"following" is defined as in the same spectator/game chat as the TD/referee on duty at the 15th minute after the hour of the match time. To find the spectator/game chat that the TD (fourplayerchess) or referee is in, please click their profile in the Variants Server and then click "Observing". Note: While the Self-Partner Championship serves as the Teams Championship to be played and completed in 2023, the following championships will not necessarily include only 2-Versus-2 Teams or only Self-Partner Teams. Discussion is ongoing on whether to continue future W4PCCs with both types of teams championships each year. The TD will be ineligible to compete, but the any staff/admin/referee will be eligible. Additionally, chess.com accounts created on or after August 1, 2023, will be ineligible. Prize Money Disclaimer: It's a pleasure to announce our first Self-Partner championship was already approved for funding with $1000 from chess.com for the 2023 Self-Partner World Champion. Please understand this may take days, weeks, or a month or two to process. The tournament director may refer questions regarding prize money to staff/support. Only one player will be awarded prize money, and that player must agree to use the email directly linked to his/her chess.com account to find the link to the Prize Money when Awarded. Please note that the link may appear in your junk/trash/spam folder, so be sure to check those soon after you win the Championship! Discussion feedback may be taken into consideration but is not guaranteed. Staff and Administrators will be in communication with the TD on any rulings in the current W4PCC and decisions on future W4PCCs. Preliminaries and Finals will be broadcasted on https://www.twitch.tv/fourplayerchess . We look forward to seeing you play in the championship! Best of luck to all players trying out! Luke RomankoW4PCC Tournament Director

what if blue and yellow work together to check red with their queens, but its not teams?

Do you have questions about the direction 4 Player Chess took over a year ago? Do you have questions about why the Starting position was chosen, over better positions such as BY setup?Now's your chance to get your questions answered here:https://www.chess.com/clubs/forum/view/variants-q-a

when one player doesnt even make the first move no points should be given

You are 2nd? NO You can ask for points? NO Your remaining opps gives you some points? NO Your exchanges of pieces give you enough points? NO BUT Let's see my game! As you can see, I hoped my opp to have given me some points, let me be 2nd, due to my co-op with him before. However, he wanted to checkmate me straightly. I came up with an idea: "Go up with the resigner's king, and if the opp make wrong moves, I can checkmate it". Just have taken a look to my time and the opp's, my time was too low. Nevertheless, I thought I was able to change... Very surprising! We stalemated the dead. I got 10 pts and succeeded to get 2nd. Some advices: Don't resign if you can do anything! Don't be hasty to ask for points. It's not allowed If you have more time than the opp when the both's are low, try to disturb his pieces, and you can think to play for win. Let's chill!

whenever I go to the variants lobby I cannot scroll down the game list and can only select from the games at the top; is anyone else having this problem?

I think the blocking system should be modified for 4pc. Say you blocked a person, I think in my opinion, and I think it should be applied, is that when you block someone. You can't play with the player anymore and you won't encounter them in games. This includes all varients of 4pc

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Couldn’t create 4 colors. Someone please upload a correct image with a green and brown. I HEREBY PRESENT THE FINAL BLOW TO THE STAGNATION OF CHESS! READ TILL THE END IF YOU'VE A BRAIN IN YOUR SKULL! I strongly believe it would be worthwhile for Chess.com to add a real cooperative game feature to the App. There should be two boards attached side by side. IJKLMNOP squares will be added after the H squares. Four colors and four players. [White & green vs black & brown.] Top two are allied and bottom two are allied. If you lose your king you still play on with all your pieces so long as your allies' king is still on the board! There are countless new tactics and strategies available in this format, and the fun is tenfold for the co-op. You can hide your king in your allies' fort and go all out offensively while he plays defence, or you can launch a devastating attack together. You can castle near your ally in middle of the board, or on opposite sides. Like I've already said, if in check, you don't have to save your king if your allies' king is still alive. [You can deliver checkmate with your king.] If the teams' 2nd king is in check both players are forced to defend it by whatever means they have. He who goes first doesn't have to, if the second player can. Time is counted for the team, not the player. You can also message your ally what move to play. To suggest a move to your ally you simply press the squares and they get to see it as a suggestion. There could be a limit to how many suggestions are allowed. Suggestions and chat can also be turned off entirely in the settings when choosing the game, to make it more important who your ally is. In serious tournaments it will always be off. Friends can play together against opposing teams. When playing randomly you will automatically get teamed with someone at your rating. If one player resigns but his ally wishes to play on, a new player will take his place. The new player's rating isn't affected if he loses, but goes up if he wins. The options are limitless in what could transpire on such a board. A rook can fly 15 squares to save an allies' queen, and two kings can checkmate another. My knight takes a pawn and then my ally eliminates its defender [the fourth color] with his bishop. Or if you're in check, you move your bishop (and snatch a piece) freeing your allies rook to now shoot over and block it. Or maybe your ally has only a king. You haven't, and you're protecting it, hoping he makes the right move each time he's checked. If your allies' pieces are all eliminated, you may lose even if up substantial material, since they get two turns and you only one. For instance if you fork a king and knight, the forked knight simply checks you, and his ally then slides his rook to block your check even undefended. You must move your king or take the knight with your bishop, and your queen is lost. (In this format maybe pawns should also be able to promote to a king! It will still be used less than a queen, but far more than a knight. You're checkmated; but no, your ally promotes to a king on the far end of the board [p8 square]! Quickly send your forces to defend it. Allowing it may lower the value of the queen though so I'm not sure if it's a good idea.) Stalemate is only if the color with the only remaining king on the team cannot move. If you lose your king and are losing and your ally has only a king or blocked pawns, he runs for a corner and you surround him with your pieces to stalemate him. The enemy meanwhile tries everything to stop it. Before each move you must take into consideration the move order of the enemy. Super-GM's like Hikaru, Erigaisi, Niemann, and Keymer, could play against others. Once developing strategy and coordination with someone, you'll be far better with them than even with a higher rated player. You'll have to choose a buddy, and hone your skills with them. What if MAGNUS and HIKARU team up against NIEMANN and HANSEN!? Streaming online, Hikaru (chortling away) sacs Magnus's queen. ('Should I give Magnus's queen?' he asks, his hand on his rook, who'm he promptly sacs for the Han's knight, forcing Carlsen to sac his queen to save it and thus gaining a slight advantage.) In revenge, Magnus needlessly exposes Hikaru's king to Eric's bishop, upon which Hikaru bursts out laughing. A Hansen-Niemann vs Naka-Magnus game will easily be one if the greatest shows chess has ever seen. ADDING THIS FORMAT COULD LITERALLY DOUBLE THE USERS ON CHESS.COM IN JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS! Its popularity would skyrocket, so many people joining just for the co-op. The excitement of such a game cannot be overstated. Piece setup and most game rules are the same as in regular chess; (unless maybe the bishops should start beside the Rooks, and the knights beside the kings and queens so that the bishops start off targeting a knight and rook instead of a king and queen. If knights-bishops do change places, right-side kings should maybe also start on the L squares and queens on the M, for several reasons.) Move order: either bottom left, bottom right, top left, top right, or clockwise from bottom right: (or [more complicated] bottom left, top left, bottom right, top right, or beggining from right; or even bottom, top, top, bottom, in any order.) Top GMs or engines should decide on which exact piece setup (I personally think it's preferable to keep the original setup; and move order: b-left b-right, t-left t-right; White, then green, then black, then brown.) and move order gives you the most playable options. There is so much room to improve chess. The greatest minds on the planet should be putting their heads to improve, expand, and promote the game just as they do to play it. Hikaru and Naroditsky should be asked on this variant. The rules don't have to be exactly as I layed out. They can change them slightly if it makes the gameplay and co-op better. Millions of new puzzles can be made. There's also no worries about cheating or theory in this format. Even just adding a co-op mode to regular chess is a great way to expand the game. The best way to add co-op to regular chess is to make that two people must agree in order for any move to be played. Any move you attempt is shown as a suggestion to your partner. If they second it, it goes. In low time, or if chosen, any of you can move, simply whoever goes first. A 2nd option is that every second move is traded off between the two, and a 3rd is that one picks the piece, the other moves it. IF YOU LIKE THE SUGGESTION, VOICE YOUR SUPPORT HERE AND NOW. IF NOT THE DEVS WON'T DELIVER. USE YOUR INFLUENCE AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.