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As mentioned in the title, anyone interested in partaking in the 4PC League initial test run please join the discord and register there: https://discord.gg/Y28wCQVRbA We are looking for roughly 8 FFA Players and 10 Teams Players. Selection for the trial runs will not be done on a first come first serve basis but at the discretion of the management team however we expect anyone intent on partaking to notify us by end of week.

https://www.chess.com/variants/4p-giveaway/game/28268989/77/1

here is the puzzle, it doesn't come out of an actual game, its really messy to complicate the game, green promoted, pieces are rushing the center area, red has a defenseless king due to focusing onthe center rush, and yellow is going defensive. in this messy and disadvantageus situation, can red win?

Green to move. a) Green has an insignificant point lead, no material and is very difficult to imrpove the position. What to play? (find a plan, not only one move) b) Is Rj6+ good? what else could blue do? c) Who has the most practical winning chances and why

Dear players, a pleasure to greet,An FFA league really sounds like something very attractive. I immediately imagined being able to enjoy a semi-annual season (6 months) of competition.This initiative is being proposed by @Radon and @505EXY in this forum https://www.chess.com/clubs/forum/view/ffa-league-in-the-makingApparently it would be in the OG Setup (old Standard), and really, I would be willing to participate and compete again against lovers of this OG setup.Recently an attempt was made to hold the ARENA BYG Setup event. which was not successful or audience, simply people were not interested in knowing this Setup in particular. Before we discuss what kind of setup we should use, I'd like to mention player stats.STATISTICSAs many of you know, I already started with this topic some time ago, where I talk about the best 100 players in the world.⚔️ Performance Top 100, of the Best Players in the World 🛡️https://www.chess.com/clubs/forum/view/performance-top-100-of-the-best-players-in-the-worldI mean, this initial listing was just a first step. This list requires a lot of refinement, since there are criteria that cannot be measured mathematically, such as TEMPER, although it is true that it is a criterion that exists in magnitude in chess for 4 and cannot be ignored, but this is a very relative, that volatility will also depend on the emotional and psychological state of the player.All great players know that in order to win, they must maintain a suitable or optimal level of balance in the 3-player stage, which is more complex than the 4-player stage. But my experience also indicates that: The Balance criteria are very different in most high level players and it is because they calculate different things than an average player, the result will still be very relative, due to the aforementioned factors. PROPOSALMy proposal to the administration and developers of 4PC and variantsIt would be great to have an exclusive section of player statistics in 4PC, in the same way that it can be obtained in 2PC, in the following way: A short time ago, chess'com released this update (2PC) which reads: "chess keys" - Receive analytics based on your match history. - See personal strengths/weaknesses. - See your performance trends. The first graph seemed very interesting to me. This indicates my number of wins, draw, and losses in a year, and also indicates the number of games in Blitz. I have the impression that these statistics, we can also obtain them in 4PC. Personally I would like to know specifically, the following: - How many times did I get first place? - How many times did I get second and third place? - How many times did I get fourth place? - How many times, won or lost with red, yellow, blue and green?It is true that in the files section some data can be found, but it still lacks useful information. The ideal is to be able to count on visible information in an optimal and friendly way. This data would reveal an important fact about each one of us, and it would also be a contribution for the mathematical evaluation of player performance.But without a doubt, the Tactics graphics are the best, because it helps us obtain valuable data on our level and in this way we could obtain the real data, who are the best players in the world in 4PC.Now I wonder why this is not yet implemented in 4PC? , but I am very excited that in the future we can have these tools. I consider myself a highly competitive player and I always study my rivals. Mainly I analyze my own mistakes and study interesting lines of application, I like to learn new theories from the best. I believe that by applying this, I have managed to grow a little more in FFA.SETUP I like this Setup (BYG), but I want to give you my impression in practical terms, since I played it and explored it, I'll give you my reasons about Bsrti (BY): - I am very used to starting with white pieces, with the king on the right and the queen on the left in 2pc. If I compare it with 4pc, red and blue start in the same way in Bsrti and that gives me a kind of closeness, or is more familiar, therefore I consider it more logical from a first impression. - When you are red and you have the yellow ones in front of you, the same visual effect and concordance in similarity to the 2pc is also achieved - Anyway Bsrti offers you a wider range of openings, which would be interesting to apply and explore in depth, it doesn't feel so static or sometimes forced in some initial moves, as it happens in omatamix. In all my assessments I try to always be super objective and consistent, we already gave old standard a chance, also omatamix, but without a doubt, Bsrti impacted me from the first day I met him and there is an audience that votes for the format . Analyze this also what I want to add to the argument: - Is that on move 1, red can directly attack the weak king pawn of blue; but with the difference, that blue, can immediately respond to red's attacks.- Gives the feeling of being able to make multiple openings.- Compared to the other setups, it doesn't feel forced, to make openings in terms of defense, I feel like you can open yourself up to more than one option.- As for the initial aesthetics, it gives you an identical view to classic chess; And this is an important achievement, which I highlight in magnitude.- Playing it immediately gives you that feeling of excitement.- Blue against green also achieves the same impression in similarity, that gives me greater expected achievement. Bsrti (BY), It is for me the best alternative. I really feel like we should explore it, it will be new for everyone, and I'm sure it will be exciting to play. This option was highly voted in the poll: This version can be well appreciated, both in TEAM and FFAIn my way of understanding FFA, which is my passion, I consider from the first day I met this Bsrti BY setup, which is the best version we can have for FFA, highly incredible and exciting. Balanced and fair for all colors, multiple variants can be executed, for me it fulfills a whole. I insist, it deserves to be explored.Anyone who wants to participate in an FFA Bsrti BY tournament or league, please let me know by writing: "If I want to compete in Bsrti BY"I would like to act as a referee of that games, and take note of the results in challonge.The main idea is to have at least 32 players interested in competing. I can also send invitations to players who do not participate in these forums, so that they are aware, if you can help me spread the word and promote, I would appreciate it. I really miss not being able to play against the best in the world, like I used to. ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬Side note: Although inside my thoughts, if I feel that "Bsrti BY" is the best setup of all time, it is still something that needs to be verified by everyone, and in this way confirm what I feel, in My inside. If not, I'll accept it and settle for BYG, Omatamix, OG or something else. Anyway I'll go to the battlefield, in the setup that is available! BY deserve to be explored in the next Tournaments by everyone, before a final decision.It's been a long time, it's time to act!▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ Many of the other problems are already practically solved, for example what was the change of server, and disconnections. We are at the door of a very friendly version of navigation and there is a very minimal percentage of disconnections.Without a doubt, managing to satisfy everyone is a complex task, but not impossible, the important thing is always to listen to each other and respect each other. You have my support to start an FFA Tournament or League in relation to the problems that we are about to define, which are the rating system and the official standard setup.⚔️Martinaxo

if you really want to avoid this situation, in my opinion the best way is make system where only first gain ranking

Goal: Find the fastest way for Green to win. Post at least 3 possible defenses by Yellow and show why they do not work. Difficulty: Easy FEN4: G-1,1,0,0-0,0,0,0-1,0,0,0-5,23,48,41-0-x,x,x,8,x,x,x/x,x,x,1,yK,1,gB,2,gR,yP,x,x,x/x,x,x,yP,5,yP,1,x,x,x/2,dbP,3,yB,4,gP,2/1,dbP,gQ,9,gP,1/1,dbP,9,gP,2/10,gP,3/2,dbB,1,yR,yD,dbP,gP,6/1,dbP,7,gN,4/2,dbP,dbQ,6,gP,gN,2/1,dbK,1,dbP,6,drP,gP,gK,1/x,x,x,5,drN,2,x,x,x/x,x,x,drP,drP,1,drP,1,drP,drP,1,x,x,x/x,x,x,drR,drN,2,drK,drB,1,drR,x,x,x Bonus: Set this up in 6 sec against a Futer... Solution/Original Game: Will be posted after 1st correct answer.

I just played FFA game and on move 12, red tries to team with yellow by checking me and Bl6# is mate, but instead of mating me, yellow takes the queen. So red tried to give yellow checkmate, hoping to checkmate blue and win in 2-player endgame? To me it looks like teaming. I want also to mention that blue did nothing to stop mate, my "friend in the opening" betrayed me. Move 26, red resigns and gives blue free points, red could defend by putting the pawn between the king and queen, and after Qxh3+ and Rk2# it's mate, but blue doesn't have to take pawn to give me +20 points, so why did red res? At the end, i blundered 2-3 times and gave blue free checkmate on yellow and get 2nd place because I couldn't think https://www.chess.com/variants/4-player-chess/game/27949217/144/4

[StartFen4 "G-0,0,0,0-1,1,1,1-1,1,1,1-0,0,0,0-0-x,x,x,yK,1,yR,3,yR,1,x,x,x/x,x,x,yP,yP,2,yB,yP,2,x,x,x/x,x,x,1,yN,2,yP,yN,2,x,x,x/2,bP,2,yP,yP,3,yP,gP,2/bK,bB,bP,6,yP,gP,3/bR,bP,bN,bR,10/bQ,1,bP,10,rQ/14/1,bP,bN,11/1,bB,bP,10,gB/3,bP,7,yQ,gP,gK/x,x,x,1,rP,rB,rB,rN,rP,rP,rP,x,x,x/x,x,x,rP,1,rP,2,rP,rK,1,x,x,x/x,x,x,2,gQ,5,x,x,x"][Variant "Teams"][RuleVariants "EnPassant"][CurrentMove "0"] Difficulty: Hard About This Puzzle: Usually, teams puzzles are designed to make people find forced wins. However, in this puzzle, BG do not have a forced win. Instead, the objective is to find a forced sequence of moves that draws the game. In case the position looks weird, I should mention that if this was from a real game (although it isn’t), this can come from Red and Yellow ganging up on Green and taking his pieces (also that Green might have played poorly before this position).

Hi all, Several of us top players have been talking and think it would be a good idea to start an FFA league (Prizes TBD) so that we can organise interesting high level games like we saw before the merger. At the moment we are simply looking to gauge interest from the community before any further action. Any interested player who has a proven track record or lower rated player that shows a willingness to learn and improve at the game please message either myself or @505EXY, preferably with your discord details (please make one if you do not already have one and wish to participate), and we will get in touch. https://discord.gg/XKSa3vepxs Thanks, Jai

check chat https://www.chess.com/variants/4-player-chess/game/28010470/42/2

Red to move. Difficulty: Hard [StartFen4 "R-0,0,0,0-1,1,0,1-1,1,1,0-0,0,0,0-3-x,x,x,3,yK,1,yB,1,yR,x,x,x/x,x,x,1,yP,yP,yB,yP,yP,yP,yP,x,x,x/x,x,x,3,yP,1,yN,2,x,x,x/bR,bP,1,yR,3,yN,2,gP,2,gR/1,bP,1,yP,8,gP,1/bB,bP,9,gN,gP,gB/1,bP,9,gP,1,gK/bK,1,bP,9,gP,1/bB,bP,bN,3,bN,bQ,3,gN,gP,gB/1,bP,4,rN,5,gP,1/bR,2,bP,rP,rQ,3,rP,gR,3/x,x,x,rP,3,rP,rN,2,x,x,x/x,x,x,1,rB,rP,rP,1,rP,rP,1,x,x,x/x,x,x,rR,3,rK,rB,1,rR,x,x,x"][Variant "Teams"][RuleVariants "EnPassant"][CurrentMove "0"]

i recently played my first rapid FFA game seriusly(i am 1550) against 1900,2000 and 2300 and was 2nd place??? can someone analyse this game because I think its luck https://www.chess.com/variants/4-player-chess/game/27841450/257/1

Being able to make 4 player chess gifs make it easier to share the game to people without chess.com accounts.

Green to move, can you find a nice but difficult to find move that puts green in a winning position? (Hint: Discovery) NO POSTING SOLUTIONS BELOW

I've been losing a few FFA games and I need help Game 1: https://www.chess.com/variants/4-player-chess/game/27874120/214/3 Game 2: https://www.chess.com/variants/4-player-chess/game/27873445/157/3 Game 3: https://www.chess.com/variants/4-player-chess/game/27873221/96/3 I think its probably my strategies I'm using wrong. Please help me and analyze.

Has your Teams rating reached its peak? Are you looking to increase your rating? What I'm about to share with you is very simple, and anyone can do this. Shortly after the merge, my Teams rating plummeted due to several disconnects and losses. Earlier this month I was down to 2121 from 2296, and just got to 2330 for the first time. All you have to do is find a random 1500 that plays like a 2500, and win 26 straight games! If I can do this, you can do it too! Here are some key wins https://www.chess.com/variants/4-player-chess/game/27565167/33/2 https://www.chess.com/variants/4-player-chess/game/27760535/77/4 https://www.chess.com/variants/4-player-chess/game/27771636/48/3 Our last and best game before the streak was broken https://www.chess.com/variants/4-player-chess/game/27791704/80/1

Very abruptly said, 4p chess is dying. There are MUCH LESS games; Antichess/Giveaway became very seldom played, Old Standard games that I try to launch from time to time are not seen nor joined by hardly anyone, high rated games became scarce... I believe that the main problem is about ergonomics, arborescence organisation and presentation. I reckon it was a huge mistake to put 4p into one mixed mess with other chess variants. It should've stayed a separate space. Many players haven't seen that there are different 4p rooms like https://www.chess.com/variants/4p-old-standard https://www.chess.com/variants/4p-giveaway etc. Many didn't understand that with the back arrow you can reach https://www.chess.com/variants and that then different subspaces concern 4p chess (whereas many do not!). Most players do not understand that all 4p games could be visible by them in https://www.chess.com/variants/lobby, and they didn't realise that they should configure themselves this space in order to be able to see for instance Old Standard and Giveaway (Antichess) games. As logical and inevitable consequence, there are MUCH LESS games now. Before the merge to get a 2400-2500 FFA was not a big deal, now sometimes you have to wait for 1 hour and more (!). I think those who created the new site structure overestimated the ability of users and underestimated their laziness. I am sure that stats prove that there are much less games, especially as for some formats and levels. I believe that should be urgently re-thought about. With a separate 4p chess space, where all formats and variants OF 4P CHESS are included, with no confusion and no other formats (2p, 960, fog of war, whatever...). And with a unique lobby put SEPARATELY from sub-rooms, where people like previously see all open games by default (but can REMOVE then the games they are not interested in, either by format or timing or rating level).

Everything that can be said on this topic has been said. So I'm just going to start a list of examples of games where solo-for-all fails the 3-player stage because a player throws the game. Feel free to add games.https://www.chess.com/variants/4-player-chess/game/27718580

With 3 seconds left on the clock, do you play e4##, or Rg5# mating yellow, stalemating blue, and losing the game? https://www.chess.com/variants/4-player-chess/game/27757786/282/1