A TALLY OF DATABASE-USERS & NON-USERS

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Sparta

1) I'd be interested to play a database user simply to see how well I've learned the openings.

 

2) I wouldn't want to pry. What Users use is there own business.

 

3) Sure I'd play the same User again as long as he/she isn't rude during the game.

hondoham

MainStreet wrote:

Questions for the Users:

1.  How did you know you've improved by using outside help such as databases, softwares, books, and the like?

 

2.  How sure are you that you're learning the right moves when looking into databases of the masters' games when the Masters themselves admit that due to OTB pressures, they make dubious openings, and tactical mistakes?

       (Don't tell us that there's no other way.)

3.  When challenged to a game by a Non-User, would you accept to fight on equal terms - that is, you'ld play on OTB rules even in a Correspondence Chess venue?  If so, or if ever you've done it a billion times already, how did you feel about the game - meaning did you have the same confidence as if you're playing with the outside helps on?

       (Honestly now, please..."


1. i fully believe a person knows when they are consciously learning. this is as true for chess as it is with math, science, and learning to read.... i don't trial by error with engineering.... why should i approach chess any different?

2. DB shows you additional moves to consider and quickly too. most games don't database well after the sixth to eighth move i imagine, unless both players are users.

3. no. i would not accept a challenge. Perhaps, i would enter into an OTB-theme tournament and play strictly OTB. But, i don't see how one could word a challenge with these conditions without sounding like an @$$hole. as far as confidence, I have more confidence playing OTB at the club than i did before i started getting into databases a couple of months ago.

thegab03

MainStreet wrote:

thegab03 wrote:

MainStreet wrote:

thegab03 wrote:

Not fair your honour for I should not be quoted in the same group as RAEL!Cheeter No1,pro!!!


USERS - 50, NON-USERS - 40


 Now who is cheating who?

 

Sorry, but maybe I misunderstood you.

1.  I took your "not to be in the same group as those in the Non-Users" as a shift to the Users' Side.

2.  Thus, I shifted you to the User side, making it 50, 40.

3.  If I was mistaken, please state your case explicitly so we can rectify the situation.

Thanks.


 I'm a believer sir,do you believe me?

thegab03

MainStreet wrote:

Questions to Non-Users:

1.  Would you be at all excited in playing a game with a User-opponent? Why?

2.  If ever you'll play with a User-opponent, would you care to ask what outside help he'll be using in your game?

3.  Win or lose, would you play again with the same User-opponent?


 1 yes,but I would not be excited for I would only get distracted!

2 No,God man for I would not give a damn!

3Yes,why not,for do we not learn by our mistakes?

regards and respect,

Gabriel!

onehandgann

How about a nonuser versus user vote chess game?

Or maybe a dumb idea as I dont know any strong players(say over 2000) that dont use databases so it would not really be fair  - not because one team uses databases but because one team(the user team) would get the strongest players on the site. Could be fun though.

Speaking of that I think it would be interesting to calculate the average rating of nonusers and users from your poll.

hmcgrier

MainStreet wrote:

Questions to Non-Users:

1.  Would you be at all excited in playing a game with a User-opponent? Why?

2.  If ever you'll play with a User-opponent, would you care to ask what outside help he'll be using in your game?

3.  Win or lose, would you play again with the same User-opponent?


1. I would have mixed feelings but I would treat it like any other game.

2. No, that's their business.

3. Sure, As long as they weren't jerks during or after the game.

Nightfly

I use reference materials ONLY when confronted with an unfamiliar move from a high-rated player. What I do is to look at the candidate moves (from the opening database) then choose and make the move that I'm most comfortable with. (Take note that I still use my judgement here and not just make a mechanical move, that some non-users imply).

However, against a lower rated player, I can play with confidence by just relying on my experience and intuition (based on sound opening principles).

You may ask why?

Against a high-rated player, even a slight positional advantage in the opening can be decisive because such players (like Karpov for example) are capable of building on even the minutest positional edge to produce a winning game. On the other hand, against a low-rated opponent, one can afford to make a few weak moves and still recover and win the game. In short, utmost accuracy is paramount when playing against strong players while there's plenty of room for inaccuracies against patzers.

Im amused reading the comments of both sides especially those who claim to be NON-USERS. It seems to me that those good friends of ours want to play OTB using the CC format. Well, my friends if you are one of those people, CC is not for you. I agree with Odessa that those so-called 'purists' should stick to OTB format.

However for the sake of pleasing everybody, I suggest that players in this site be classified as to whether they are users or non-users (of reference materials). This way, our purist friends can choose whoever they want to play.

In my case, I'm willing to play anybody, even within their self-imposed rules as long as they move fast (at least 1 move/day), and has the grace to accept defeat and humility to take a win. Of course, I'd still like to reserve the right to accept or refuse any challenge.

thegab03

onehandgann wrote:

How about a nonuser versus user vote chess game?

Or maybe a dumb idea as I dont know any strong players(say over 2000) that dont use databases so it would not really be fair  - not because one team uses databases but because one team(the user team) would get the strongest players on the site. Could be fun though.

Speaking of that I think it would be interesting to calculate the average rating of nonusers and users from your poll.


 I'ld say yes,users against non users for the non users would have completly nothing to lose!

MainStreet

MasterPatzer wrote:

I use reference materials ONLY when confronted with an unfamiliar move from a high-rated player. What I do is to look at the candidate moves (from the opening database) then choose and make the move that I'm most comfortable with. (Take note that I still use my judgement here and not just make a mechanical move, that some non-users imply).

However, against a lower rated player, I can play with confidence by just relying on my experience and intuition (based on sound opening principles).

You may ask why?

Against a high-rated player, even a slight positional advantage in the opening can be decisive because such players (like Karpov for example) are capable of building on even the minutest positional edge to produce a winning game. On the other hand, against a low-rated opponent, one can afford to make a few weak moves and still recover and win the game. In short, utmost accuracy is paramount when playing against strong players while there's plenty of room for inaccuracies against patzers.

Im amused reading the comments of both sides especially those who claim to be NON-USERS. It seems to me that those good friends of ours want to play OTB using the CC format. Well, my friends if you are one of those people, CC is not for you. I agree with Odessa that those so-called 'purists' should stick to OTB format.

However for the sake of pleasing everybody, I suggest that players in this site be classified as to whether they are users or non-users (of reference materials). This way, our purist friends can choose whoever they want to play.

In my case, I'm willing to play anybody, even within their self-imposed rules as long as they move fast (at least 1 move/day), and has the grace to accept defeat and humility to take a win. Of course, I'd still like to reserve the right to accept or refuse any challenge.


USERS - 53, NON-USERS - 45

artfizz

Let me make one thing perfectly clear: I am not disputing MainStreet's tally - I am disputing my own! I begin to appreciate the complexity of the task he has undertaken. Thanks again, MainStreet.

Several people didn't make their views explicit - so there is some guesswork involved. Corrections not merely welcome ... DEMANDED!

Also, COT Guidelines are NOT entirely clear. The Analysis Board DOES count as outside help (which not everyone realised). What about: rewinding the board to look at past moves? Who knows?

 

 

                                                            Version 3.0A (Update)


thegab03

Looks like I've been put on the other wrong side,for I'm a non userCry!

MainStreet

Artfizz, thanks for the table update!

So there we are, so far:

USERS - 54, NON-USERS - 48

MainStreet

thegab03 wrote:

Looks like I've been put on the other wrong side,for I'm a non user!


USERS - 53, NON-USERS - 49

thegab03

Thank you MainStreet,the honest man that you are!

artfizz

thegab03 wrote: Looks like I've been put on the other wrong side,for I'm a non user!

I don't what to say! I'm mortified!! Just as well there are only TWO sides to this issue!!!

thegab03

I aint Irish for nothing,lol!

artfizz

thegab03 wrote: I aint Irish for nothing,lol!

More like 'good for nothing!'  WHO SAID THAT???

thegab03

You?I give in pls tell us!

MainStreet

USERS - 53, NON-USERS - 49

OdessaChess

Mr. MainStreet, perhaps we can also have a vote as to who gave the best argument for their position. Perhaps we can ask the non-users to choose who among the users they think gave the best argument and vice-versa.